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nihontochicken

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2005 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nihontochicken     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can someone help identify the following maker?

Unfortunately, the marks are interior to the sharply curved stem and so small that I can't effectively scan them. They consist of (moving away from the bowl) the maker's mark (described below), the 1809 Paris #1 fineness mark (rooster facing right and "1" in octagonal border, Tardy p.191), and what seems to be the 1809 Paris guarantee mark (circular punch, head facing right, similar to Moyenne stamp, Tardy p.192, but apparently without the "face" on top of the cap). The maker's mark, which has been battered, is a lozenge punch with what appears to be "nehanne" in script with a device below that I don't recognize. I'm not sure of the all the letters, particularly the first and second "n". The piece is a 36 cm fiddle and thread soup ladle, approx. 9 tr. oz.

Thanks!

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labarbedor

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2005 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for labarbedor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't like making it easy on us do you. What is your best guess on the object in the maker's mark?. Is the lozenge more verticle or horizontal? If the first letter isn't an "N" what are your other guesses?

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labarbedor

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2005 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for labarbedor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK. It should be DEHANNE the symbol is a cock with his foot on a ball. The mark of Pierre-Joseph Dehanne. 28 rue des Marmousets. 1785-1813.

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2005 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nihontochicken, labarbedor, its a small world, I finished an inventory for a local dealer and one of the pieces was a Dehanne, the notes are not in front of me so i will post tomorrow with the details.

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nihontochicken

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2005 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nihontochicken     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By George, I think you've got it! My first take on the leading letter was lower case "n", which, of course, wasn't likely to be right. I can see the "D" now that I know what to look for; was fooled by the large, stylized script loop at the lower left. The signature is written coincident on the long axis of the lozenge. I can now also make out the device of the chicken holding the ball (I almost guessed a chicken earlier, but there just seemed to be too many involved, and it rather looked like the "chicken that crossed the road" and didn't make it). Thanks for the interpretation. I don't think I was going to "turn the corner" on my own on this one.

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labarbedor

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2005 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for labarbedor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well either it is a small world, or he put out more silver than I thought. Recently a stuffing spoon sold on eBay (I forgot to bid). I think it was Dehanne, but the photo was so poor, who knows.

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Arg(um)entum

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2005 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arg(um)entum     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nihontochicken: nice of you to give the weight! Thanks! I hope that you've started a trend. smile

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nihontochicken

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2005 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nihontochicken     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I wasn't going to make you guys feel bad, but what the heck, with the remarks on Ebay and weight and such, I can no longer resist. Yes, this was the result of an Ebay bottom feeding scrounge'n'snipe, my favorite form of mental relaxation in lieu of computer games or TV. The only photo showed a nondescript fiddle pattern ladle in three-quarter view. I inquired via Ebaymail as to whether there were any marks. The seller responded that there was a diamond shaped mark with small lettering in it that he couldn't read, a hexagonal mark, and a round mark, both of which he couldn't determine what was inside. As it turned out, there was only one other bidder, who bumped the price up for me by a buck over the initial ask. When the smoke cleared, it was under fifteen dollars total, including shipping. But there ARE some small dinks in the bowl! Hahahaha! The one that DIDN'T get away! I give up now; I lose most auctions because I've gotten too cheap, not willing to bid much more than I paid for the last one. But I doubt I'll get this lucky again, at least not soon. However, it was well demonstrated in this case, as they say, "It pays to know your hallmarks!" smile

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 02-03-2005 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My notes on the large ladle (7oz), Also fiddle and thread;

Paris garantie 1819
" 1st standard 1819
Maker; Dehanne

This I realize is sketchy but I was not writting down what the marks looked like so I will go back and get a photo or drawing.
It does seem to be the same Ladle. Also will get the lengh.

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labarbedor

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iconnumber posted 02-03-2005 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for labarbedor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The piece I saw was a stuffing spoon, which also went cheap althought not as cheap.
I obviously made a mistake on the working dates, he evidently went until at least 1822.

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