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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 02-15-2005 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just added to my collection a German spoon with two marks: "800" and "Egersdörfer." It seems to be authentically German, but since there is no crown and crescent moon, I am speculating it is pre-1888. There is a town of Egersdörfen and Egersdörfer seems to be a fairly common last name. Beyond that I am stumped. Any ideas.

TomI just added to my collection a German spoon with two marks: "800" and "Egersdörfer." It seems to be authentically German, but since there is no crown and cresecent moon, I am speculating it is pre-1888. There is a town of Egersdörfen and Egersdörfer seems to be a fairly common last name. Beyond that I am stumped. Any ideas.

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blakstone

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I've been able to gather, Egersdörfer was a Nuremburg retailer (not a manufacturer) in the early to mid- 20th century. I've seen his/their mark on more than a few pieces alongside the trademark of a well-known manufacturer, e.g. Wilkens and Koch & Bergfeld. Perhaps our German friend Sazikov 2000 can add more.

PS: A good general rule of thumb for post-1888 German pieces is that a full name spelled out is usually a retailer's mark; manufacturers generally used a trademark. (Not unlike the USA!)

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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to harden and illustrate what blakstone wrote, a foto of Egersdörfers name on some silver (in this case a pitcher)from the Wilkens firm. His name is only on the better quality things and he was a jeweler in the town of Nürnberg who sold in his shop what his customers at that time found en vogue: flatware, pitchers, cigaret cases, candlesticks, plates etc.

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. All of this makes sense, but why is there no crescent moon and crown on the spoon?

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS There is no maker's mark either.

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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Egersdörfer made this spoon himself, he could as a jeweler just stamp the precise silver content on it. There was his (good) name and the content - so everything was perfect and lawful. Remember, the same procedure is made with jeweler made rings etc.

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just found some spoon to proof what I wrote.

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. On my spoon there is no mark, just his name spelled out. Your explanation, though makes perfect sense. Assuming he made it himself, what is a reasonable guess as to the date?

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Without having seen the spoon i would say between 1910 and 1930.
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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A picture, why didn't I think of that?! Sorry for not posting this first.

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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The design of your spoon is called:
    Augsburger Fadenmuster

[Augsburg (town in Bavaria) thread pattern]
and still very popular.

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, does the picture help to narrow the date?

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2005 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sazikov,

Herzliche danke fûr ihren hilf!

Tom

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