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Silver Lyon

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iconnumber posted 06-29-2005 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silver Lyon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a fun bottle ticket.

Who made it? When? Where? Why?

Was it made to order for a local, or an expatriate Englishman?

Why is it in English? Is it simply a copy made as a present or is there a better story?

What do you think?

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iconnumber posted 06-29-2005 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The marks are from St. Petersburg, 84 zolotnik (.875) silver, assay master Alexandr Yashinov/Yashinkov, working 1795-1826, which stylistically looks right: 1st quarter 19th C.

The maker's mark - FJR/FIR - appears to be in script Latin characters, which is not uncommon for St. Petersburg makers, many of whom made items for the western market (which would explain the very English form and lettering on your label.) Unfortunately, I cannot find the maker. Perhaps our resident Russian expert Sazikov 2000 can help.

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iconnumber posted 06-29-2005 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In St. Petersburg at that time (1820-1860) lived a large colony of nordic (Fins, Swedens, Danes) silversmiths like
Carl Fredrik Bjorkman, Swede
Carl Reinhold Linck, Dane
Hans Friedrich Knauff, Dane
just to name a few. All had their 3 initials in script Latin in the punch. The only name that fits together with the assay master is:

Frederik Johann Relander (Fin), born 1798, working in the 1820ies in St. Petersburg. There is no foto or drawing of his punch,(maybe it is very seldom found) but the Russians are still working on a complete list.
There lived many Europeans in St. Petersburg who took their habits with them to feel a little bit at home - for example many English merchants -so the riddle is solved.

Hope that helps a little

Sazikov 2000

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