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Silver Lyon

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iconnumber posted 06-30-2005 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silver Lyon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is what I am sure you will agree is a beautiful silver, silvergilt and niello cigarette box.

The problem is reading the marks - Help !!!

Thanks in advance,
SL


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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 06-30-2005 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say it is:

PAS, the code for
Juwelirnaja Masterskaja Taschkenta, with the Moscow silver content stamp (.875) for goods over 10 gramms in use 1927-1954 in the Soviet Union. The decor is typical for Taschkent (Muslims).

Hope that helps

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Silver Lyon

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iconnumber posted 06-30-2005 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silver Lyon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Clever You - Many Thanks smile smile wink smile smile

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Silver Lyon

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2005 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silver Lyon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am facinated. This is a really wonderful piece of work. Howcome it was being made some 15-20 years after the revolution? I thought that all this stopped in 1917. (silly me!)
Are Jeweller Mastercraftsmen Taschkent a co-operative do you think?

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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2005 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After the revolution 1917 mostly all the better silversmiths (firms) had to stop working because they had worked for the upper class, or their property was confiscated, or the workers joined the local soviet, or they fled out of country, or they were transported to Sibiria or they were simply shot - this lasted until 1920.
After establishing the SSSR until 1980 there were ca. 2490 companys, firms, cooperatives or artels (with names like: Rotfront, Spartakist, Red Flag, etc.) under the strict rule of the communistic government who fabricated silver in all versions, but never come close to the quality of the silver before the revolution. This enterprises had all different codenames (6CHF, 3G2, IZM, or like your case PAS [Latin] for example) and only the officials could identify who is who. Most of the silver was ideological inspired (workers, farmers, industrycomplexes) and of bad socialistic taste. In the Western world cigarette cases, tea glass holder, salts, little vodka pitchers, braceletts and spoons are quite often found on fleemarkets.
If there is interest, I can make some fotos of the better( highly desired, because of the hammer and sickle in red enamel from the 20ies) cigarette cases from the early years of the Sovietunion.

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Silver Lyon

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2005 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silver Lyon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I, for one, would really like to see the pictures.
You still haven't satisfied my curiosity - this is a beautiful thing of the very finest quality (it even clunks shut) with a sapphire thumb-piece - who was it made for? Why were they allowed to have it? I am sure that there were no tourists about...?

[This message has been edited by Silver Lyon (edited 07-01-2005).]

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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2005 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please be sure that the thumb-piece is really a sapphire cabochon, if so it should be gold mounted! Normally there is a coloured glass cabochon (blue,red, green or turquoise).

This cigarette cases were sold in special shops for the "nomenclature" i.e. for high ranking party members who used them as presents for other party members. You always find in presentation cases a donation text engraved.

Here are some of the "sozialistic" cases:

The inscription: "Na straje" = On guard

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Silver Lyon

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2005 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silver Lyon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that they are wonderful - as well as facinating and historic - full of the angles that get any of us hooked on silver!
Well done and thank you! I have never before seen such a thing!
No inscripriion on my box; the thumbpiece mount is probably silvergilt; good deep colour for stone and no sign of foil - so I must presume glass, sadly?

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2005 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sazikov,

I am currently teaching a course called "Europe under the Dictators," in which we just covered the Stalinist period. Your silver piece is a wonderful illustration of the intrusion of the state into all areas of life and the omnipresense of propaganda.

Thanks for sharring it,
Tom

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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2005 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Silver Lyon,
no reason to be sad. The case is very nice and it is a miracle that it survived without dents and scratches, normly people made blinkers for fishing out of it or melted it to produce an akademy badge in silver in contrary to the aluminium you could buy. And Taschkent is a very wild country...

In my collection is a so called "functionary presentation " case, for the top notch guys.

Leningrad (St. Petersburg) 1927
silvercontent 88 (.916)(!)
maker: Artel iskra oktjabja
thumb piece: gold mounted ruby cabochon

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Gaspare

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iconnumber posted 07-02-2005 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gaspare     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sazikov2000, Wow, your cases are very nice. This last one is stunning, a treat to see! Thanks for showing them , G.

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