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tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 01-14-2006 10:12 PM I just got this Russian "bright cut" spoon. I have concluded that it was made in Moscow in 1893, assayed by Lev Fedorovich Oleks (cyrillic "n.o" = lo). I would appreciate it if some one could confirm my conclusion and perhaps help me identify the maker. Thanks, Tom IP: Logged
sazikov2000 Posts: 254 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 01-15-2006 08:58 PM The maker's mark picture is not clear, so I have to guess. Maybe a sketch helps. Assaymaster: Oleks Lev Fedorowitsch, Moscow 1890-96 Silversmith: MP (lat.)[??] Paramonov Michail Dimitriewitsch Sazikov 2000 IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 01-15-2006 11:23 PM Thanks Sazikov. I will try for a clearer picture, but the mark is pretty effaced it looks like cyrillic "BD". Tom IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 01-16-2006 07:45 PM Sazikov and everyone else, The mark is pretty effaced, so I am not sure how much a clearer picture will help. It looks like the Cyrillic "VD" = §£§¥. Could this be the maker Vasili¨¬ Dmtrev listed in Postnikova-Loseva? Would this maker be consistent with the other marks? Also, where does one get a copy of Postnikova-Loseva? I don't read Russian, but would I be able to get enough from the pictures of marks to make it a worthwhile edition to my library? Thanks, Tom IP: Logged
sazikov2000 Posts: 254 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 01-16-2006 09:19 PM If it is VD (lat.) it is Dmitriev Vasilij Vladelez 1871-86, maker of mostly tea spoons. Your spoon is assayed in 1893, so it was laying around for 7 years until it was sold, or it is not VD! The best source to get a copy of P.-L. is eBay, do not pay more than USD 80,00-100,00! If you want to collect more than a Russian spoon here and there, it is a must. If not, it is easier to ask the friendly (!) people at SMP. With a good dictionary, the cyrillic alphabet and much patience you can use P.-L., but it will take some time and experience to understand Russian silver in general. You must be addicted..... Sazikov 2000 IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 01-16-2006 09:56 PM Thanks Sazikov. I will try the photo again. As for the book, I over-spent my Christmas budget, so I guess I will have to rely on the forum! Regards, Tom IP: Logged
Kayvee Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2004	posted 01-17-2006 09:00 AM I ordered my copy of P-L (2003 edition ISBN 5-94557-001-X)from a Russian language bookstore, and paid less than the price you have been quoted. Many large cities have such bookstores, so if you live near a major metropolitan area, check it out. The 2003 edition has a brief synopsis in French at the end, which helps. On a personal note, I have never regretted spending money on good silver reference books. Not only do they provide hours of enjoyable reading, but also help me to make more informed choices when buying, thereby saving money in the end! IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 01-17-2006 01:34 PM Thanks Kayvee. I can read French and German, so it is useful to know that the book has that introduction. My consideration is always whether to spend the money on references or more silver. Collecting is pure fun, so I choose based on what will give me the most enjoyment. I will check for Russian bookstores. Tom IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 01-18-2006 03:39 PM Here is a better picture of the maker's mark. Hope this makes an id possible. Thanks, Tom IP: Logged
sazikov2000 Posts: 254 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 01-18-2006 04:35 PM The punch is upside down, to read it you have to turn it 180�. It is as I said before: MP (lat.) Paramonov Michail Dimitriewitsch Sazikov 2000 IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 01-18-2006 04:43 PM Oops. I missed that part of your early post. Thanks again, Tom IP: Logged

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