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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-14-2006 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just got this Russian "bright cut" spoon.

I have concluded that it was made in Moscow in 1893, assayed by Lev Fedorovich Oleks (cyrillic "n.o" = lo).

I would appreciate it if some one could confirm my conclusion and perhaps help me identify the maker.

Thanks,
Tom

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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 01-15-2006 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The maker's mark picture is not clear, so I have to guess. Maybe a sketch helps.

Assaymaster: Oleks Lev Fedorowitsch, Moscow 1890-96

Silversmith: MP (lat.)[??] Paramonov Michail Dimitriewitsch

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-15-2006 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Sazikov. I will try for a clearer picture, but the mark is pretty effaced it looks like cyrillic "BD".

Tom

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-16-2006 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sazikov and everyone else,

The mark is pretty effaced, so I am not sure how much a clearer picture will help. It looks like the Cyrillic "VD" = §£§¥.
Could this be the maker Vasili¨¬ Dmtrev listed in Postnikova-Loseva? Would this maker be consistent with the other marks?

Also, where does one get a copy of Postnikova-Loseva? I don't read Russian, but would I be able to get enough from the pictures of marks to make it a worthwhile edition to my library?

Thanks,
Tom

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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 01-16-2006 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it is VD (lat.) it is Dmitriev Vasilij Vladelez 1871-86, maker of mostly tea spoons. Your spoon is assayed in 1893, so it was laying around for 7 years until it was sold, or it is not VD!

The best source to get a copy of P.-L. is eBay, do not pay more than USD 80,00-100,00! If you want to collect more than a Russian spoon here and there, it is a must. If not, it is easier to ask the friendly (!) people at SMP.

With a good dictionary, the cyrillic alphabet and much patience you can use P.-L., but it will take some time and experience to understand Russian silver in general. You must be addicted.....

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-16-2006 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Sazikov. I will try the photo again. As for the book, I over-spent my Christmas budget, so I guess I will have to rely on the forum!

Regards,
Tom

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Kayvee

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iconnumber posted 01-17-2006 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kayvee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I ordered my copy of P-L (2003 edition ISBN 5-94557-001-X)from a Russian language bookstore, and paid less than the price you have been quoted. Many large cities have such bookstores, so if you live near a major metropolitan area, check it out. The 2003 edition has a brief synopsis in French at the end, which helps. On a personal note, I have never regretted spending money on good silver reference books. Not only do they provide hours of enjoyable reading, but also help me to make more informed choices when buying, thereby saving money in the end!

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-17-2006 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Kayvee. I can read French and German, so it is useful to know that the book has that introduction. My consideration is always whether to spend the money on references or more silver. Collecting is pure fun, so I choose based on what will give me the most enjoyment. I will check for Russian bookstores.

Tom

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iconnumber posted 01-18-2006 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a better picture of the maker's mark.

Hope this makes an id possible.

Thanks,
Tom

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sazikov2000

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iconnumber posted 01-18-2006 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The punch is upside down, to read it you have to turn it 180. It is as I said before:

MP (lat.) Paramonov Michail Dimitriewitsch

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iconnumber posted 01-18-2006 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops. I missed that part of your early post.

Thanks again, Tom

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