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Yorkyman

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iconnumber posted 01-16-2001 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yorkyman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Folks I have a few Fun Ietms First is a Believe a Demitasse or Scoop?Early has the word Muurbloem on the Handle...the mark is hard to make out....a couple of letters in the middle and the number 90 after the the first symbol I can not make out.

Next is an Arts & Crafts Hammered Demitasse..Strange Marks...first one looks like a spade...with the letters GTC inside next is a Oval with three castles inside next is a an Oval with a Large H and a C inside above and an F inside below...then a Triangle with the Capital T flanked by a D and A.

Last Any ideas on the Pattern and the Use a Serving Fork but for What??

Off to wait by the Phone to see if I won a few Auctions I left Bids at Thank you Roger

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wev
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iconnumber posted 01-16-2001 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No idea about the first and last (except that the later is by Whiting), but number two is Danish. If you look carefully under the castle, there should be a number in the wavy lines. The mark was used since 1888 for purity and the number represents the date, ie 91 = 1891, 19 = 1919, etc. The other marks are the maker's and assayist's, but I do not have modern references, so you will have to hope another reader does.

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 01-16-2001 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. This is a demitasse/souvenir spoon. I think it is Dutch. As an aside, this spoon looks suspiciously similar to one of the Floral pattern spoons by Tiffany (similar bowl shape, and that Tiffany spoon had an identical flower on top--see the two images below). I would guess Tiffany's were the originals.

Note the similar flower (gentian)...
...and the similar bowl shape.

2. This spoon is Danish. The three castle mark means the piece was made of .826 purity silver. The numbers below the castles indicate the year the fork was made--I can't tell from the pics, but it looks like "31" (if so, it means it was made in 1931). The D A mark is identified in Ginger Moro's European jewelry book in the Scandinavian section, so if you've got a copy, check there--my copy isn't handy at the moment; I will post when I get the correct information. The large H w/C & F is the assay master's mark--this name also escapes me. I don't know the other mark.

3. The fork looks like a cold meat fork; the maker is Whiting; the pattern is "Empire."

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 01-16-2001 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
p.s. if you would like to post images directly rather than using links, insert the URL for the image between [ IMG] and [ /IMG] (except do not leave a space after the first bracket).

[This message has been edited by Paul Lemieux (edited 01-16-2001).]

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 01-17-2001 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1.) I agree, this is likely a Dutch souvenir spoon. Muurbloem is likely the name of the flower in Dutch. As for the marks, my instinct tells me that this is silver plate. You see the number 90 on some German silver plate, and I wouldn't be surprised if the same did not hold true in the Netherlands.

2.) This one has been well identified by Paul and WEV. The castle mark signifies that the standard is at LEAST 826. The actual standard is supposed to be stamped in figures on any piece of Danish silver; I am surprised not to find it here. The CFH cypher refers to assay master C.F. Heise, who was master from 1904-1932. I hope Paul can idenitify the DA mark. I suspected it might be David-Andersen of Norway, but I may be wrong. I have pieces of silverplate and pewter with the same mark. The final mark might be another maker's mark, or possibly an import stamp of some kind.

3.)Paul got this one already.

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 01-17-2001 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I now agree with Brent about the Dutch spoon--I think it is plated and not 90% silver. The mark was familiar, but I couldn't place it; Brent's comments about silverplate reminded me that I had seen a spoon once with the same mark that was definitely plated.

As for #2, I will get that maker identified as soon as I can.

[This message has been edited by Paul Lemieux (edited 01-17-2001).]

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 01-17-2001 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
D A stands for Dansk Arbeide.

[This message has been edited by Paul Lemieux (edited 01-18-2001).]

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 01-18-2001 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops--it has occurred to me that "DA", for Dansk Arbeide, is probably not the maker. I have seen a couple of pieces with this mark in addition to what must be makers' marks--and the makers' marks on the two pieces were different. So this, plus the fact that "Dansk" means "Danish" (and Danish seems an unlikely name), has led me to believe that the phrase means Danish Handwrought or something to that effect (German silver of the same time frame is often marked "Handerbeit," for handmade). This is speculative as well, I'm afraid I don't have any concrete evidence either way. I hope I haven't misled anybody with erroneous information.

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 01-18-2001 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We were speculating about the D hammer-C mark with some fellow silverphiles and they had indicated to us that they believe the mark simply means "Danish Work". The hammer may indicate hand work and/or it may imply membership of a guild of handworkers. We'd love to get some solid documentation on this. Anybody???

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Retro Gallery

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iconnumber posted 01-30-2001 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Retro Gallery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by retro:

Well I will tell you what all the marks mean on the spoons,Firstly the GTC in a sheild is for the maker who is Grann og Laglye
The castle symbol in an oval is the assay mark for Copenhagen and the D -A mark is for the company Dansk Arbeide who produced some wonderful early pieces of Jewellery and silver ware and had many designers work for them

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tagny

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iconnumber posted 02-08-2001 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tagny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Ginger Moro gave mention to Dansk Arbeide as a trade organization of Arts & Crafts and Skonvirke silversmiths. The GL mark is the early mark of Grann & Laglye, later they used a block letter G with the bottom of the L forming the crossbar of the G.

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TGS

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iconnumber posted 03-01-2001 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TGS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gorham forks like item 3 are shown in the March/April Silver are identified as pie forks.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-14-2004 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is another look at the Grann & Laglye marks:

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