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iconnumber posted 09-30-2005 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gosia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Forum Members. I know very little about silver but arrived here looking for my family's roots. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with me smile

I'm Polish. My great grandma (101 years old!) was married to a silversmith, his surname Fiedor. He died very young, probably killed by German soldiers while staying in the hospital. None of his works remained. But great grandma keeps repeating that there is a beautiful miniature (flat) of Jozef Pilsudski's (Polish national hero) portrait.
She says that the miniature was signed Krupski Matulewicz and was taken to be hung on the Eiffel Tower in Paris. These are the only details I know.

Is it possible to find this miniature? What questions should I ask grandma to help me in this? How can I find out more about my gread grandfather and his work? Is it still possible?

Thank you all for any information or hints.
Best wishes smile

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iconnumber posted 09-30-2005 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Welcome to the forum. Sazikov is the expert on Russian/Polish silver, so I will leave the silver part of your question to him.

As an historian I can say a bit about researching family roots. First, be sure to tape record your grandmother, who is an invaluable source of information on more than just silver. You and your children, etc. will have a priceless treasure for years to come.

The best way to get information on your grandfather and his work is to go the town in which he lived. Church records, the town hall, and even people who may still remember him are the best source of information.

Good luck,

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iconnumber posted 09-30-2005 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know if I understand your post. Krupski & Matulewicz (Wladyslaw Krupski & Jan Matulewicz) was a large firm in pre-war Warsaw; their "KiM" mark appears on many, many items from the 1930s. Do you mean that your ancestor made this portrait of Jozef Pilsudski? If so, was it a medal or was it a miniature on ivory, porcelain, etc. for which he made the frame? If Fiedor was a medallist, he probably signed the medal and it was then issued by KiM. If it was merely a silver frame and Fiedor was a workman in KiM's shop, then he probably would not have signed his work and therefore it would be impossible to identify what of KiM's prolific output is his. By the 1930s, there were very few "silversmiths" left; most silverware was being made by mechanical processes. However, either a medal or a fancy frame for a commissioned piece could have been made by a single craftsman.

So I would first ask Great-Grandma if Fiedor (what is the full name?) worked for Krupski & Matulewicz, and second was this miniature(which I gather was itself a copy of a larger portrait) painted and in a silver frame or all silver (i.e., a medal)?

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iconnumber posted 09-30-2005 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gosia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for a nice welcome and for replies. I have just phoned to few members of family and managed to find out that:
- My great grandfather's name was Stanislaw Fiedor
- he was working FOR Krupski and Matulewicz in the 30s
- the miniature was of the oval shape, the size about 15*18cm. It was all silver, etched. There was only one item.
- it was specially commissioned by some people who came from France and took it for a kind of exhibition, probably, on the Eiffel Tower.

I wonder where the thing could be now. It would be great to see it. Maybe it would be best to look at the history of the events on Eiffel Tower, the "exhibition" - I am not sure what kind of exhibition it was - should be recorded somewhere.

Thank you once more smile

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iconnumber posted 09-30-2005 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kayvee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When Gustave Eiffel built the tower for the International Exhibition of Paris in 1889, he included the names of 72 French scientists on plaques around the first stage of the tower. The website for the Eiffel Tower lists the 72 names, and Josef Pilsudski is not among them. In any case 1889 is too early for your ancestor. Are you sure that the miniature in question was exhibited at the Eiffel Tower? Paris has been the site of many international expositions where countries were invited to exhibit their best in technology and art. Perhaps your relatives can pin down the date and that would allow you to determine the particular exposition. Good luck.

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