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Raf Steel

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iconnumber posted 10-22-2005 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raf Steel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hello everybody. I bought a spoon which I believe is Russian. It is only marked with "12" for 800 I presume, but no maker's mark.

What was it purpose (it is about 18 cm long), and could it be possible to identify the maker through the form of the spoon? Am I correct in believing was made about 1900?



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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 10-22-2005 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Raf,

I don't think your spoon is Russian at all. Russian silver silver is usually marked by a Zolotnik for purity(e.g. 84= 87.5% silver), a kokoshnik (woman's head facing left or right, depending on the date), a town mark and possibly a maker's mark (initials in Cyrillic or Latin letters). Your piece seems to have none of these marks. Type "Russian" in the search function for many forum threads on this subject.

Good luck,
Tom

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Raf Steel

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iconnumber posted 10-23-2005 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raf Steel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tom,

I know that the spoon doesn't carry any Russian markings, and that the '12' is a marking used in Austria-Hungary, but somehow the style doesn't match the production there. Maybe an Austrian spoon made after a Russian model, or a Russian emigré silversmith working outside his native country? I bought it together with a whole bunch of Dutch items (made between 1819-1920), so I haven't got a clue about its history.

I just checked on the '12', it should be 750 and not 800, as I thought. Maybe that explains why there is no makers mark? (bellow most legal standards in Europe)

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 10-23-2005 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry Raf, I misunderstood. For what it is worth, I have seen German silver marked with nothing but a loth mark as you suggest here (see this thread: unusual spoons, German or Austrian). Since Austria-Hunary, Germany, and Russia controlled Polish territory passed around among the three of them (and AH contolled other Slavic terriroties as well), I find it historically quite plausible that Russian silversmiths operated within Germany and AH and had to mark Russian styles with the occuppiers' marks. If that is the case though, shouldn't your piece be pre 1888 if it is German and pre-1867 if it is Austria when a different marking system was introduced? Blackstone and/or Sazikov are your best bets for sorting this one out. Good

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Raf Steel

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iconnumber posted 10-24-2005 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raf Steel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking about a Polish connection as well, but as you say, let us wait and see what the experts think? Datewise, pre 1867 seems to me to be too early, but then I don't know when the 'vogue' for naturalistic silver started in Russia and neighbouring countries.
Thanks for your helpful suggestions.
I couldn't acces the thread though.

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iconnumber posted 10-24-2005 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I fixed the link. Try it now.

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