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suomoo Posts: 40 |
posted 10-06-2005 06:23 PM
  
[26-0695] Who can give me advice on the hallmarks of a dish I have. I guess they are German but I'm not sure. It has a letter A, the name Godet and a figure with the letter C. How old is this dish and where does it come from? Many thanks in advance. IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 10-06-2005 10:46 PM
Hi and welcome to the forum. I believe that the figure to the far right is the city mark for Berlin, a standing bear. The letter to the right of the bear is a date letter, but I do not have date letter guide. The bear was in use until 1888 when the unified Germany adopted a standard mark consisting of a crown and crescent moon followed by a number indicating silver content (e.g., 800 for 800/100). The name which is partially effaced is probably the maker. I cannot help you with the other two marks. Good luck, IP: Logged |
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sazikov2000 Posts: 254 |
posted 10-07-2005 05:55 AM
GODET (Gebr. Godet und Co.) was the name of famous silversmith brothers in Berlin/Germany. The zickzack line (Tremolierstrich) was used to take some silver to test the purity by the assay master. The bear is the townmark of Berlin. The letter C is the date code for 1727/37. The Godet firm made most of the higher orders in WW I and WW II and was chancellery supplier of the Kaiser and the Führer. The code number of the firm was 21. Hope that helps. Sazikov 2000 [This message has been edited by sazikov2000 (edited 10-07-2005).] IP: Logged |
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suomoo Posts: 40 |
posted 10-20-2005 01:33 PM
Many thanks for your help. IP: Logged |
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blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 11-24-2005 01:57 PM
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. I have finally gotten my internet service restored after Katrina, and it’s good to be back. Ever since I saw this post (on one of my sojurns to check my email etc. at the only university library open here in New Orleans) I did want to add a few things about the Godet firm & Berlin hallmarks. First, I don’t think the 1727/37 date can possibly be correct. The Godet firm was founded in 1761, when Jean Godet (1732-1796) became a master in the Berlin guild, so it could hardly have been made 30 years before the firm was in existence. Rather, I think that the letter here is “G”, the mark of Berlin primary assay master (Zeichenmeister) F. J. Stoltz, working 1788-1802. The Godet firm passed through five generations of fathers & sons: 1. Jean Godet (1732- 1796); master 1761 The “GODET” mark on your piece is that used by Jean Jacques Godet (working 1795-1817), more in keeping with the 1788-1802 date. (The elder Godet’s mark was “GO” above “DET”) “GODET” was also used by Jean Frédéric Godet, but he didn’t become a master until 1821. So your item was made around the turn of the 18th/19th centuries in the workshop of Jean Jacques Godet. What is perplexing here is the appearance of the cursive “A” mark, which is that of the secondary assayer (Wardeinmeister) B.F.G. Andreack, working 19 Jan 1819 – 20 Feb 1842. The position of Wardeinmeister wasn’t created until 1819 - Andreack ws the first - and, as such, his mark should not appear next to the Berlin Bear + G mark used 1788-1802. (The A mark almost invariably appears with the primary assayer’s mark of J.C.S. Kessner, working 1819-1854: Bear + K). My best guess is that your dish was resubmitted to the guild for assay when it sold later at auction (or some such) and the “A” mark was applied then. Finally, unless marked otherwise, the Berlin standard was 12 Löt, or .750 silver, which I presume your dish to be. Hope this helps! IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 11-24-2005 02:47 PM
Welcome back blakstone and I hope everything is going well with you. I would be very interested in hearing about how New Orleans is doing and how the residents are coping with the rebuilding. Art IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 11-24-2005 04:26 PM
Blackstone, Welcome back. Glad to know things are looking up. We have missed you. Happy Thanksgiving, IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 11-25-2005 02:01 PM
It may be of interest to note that the cursive A mark, or one very much like it, appears unrecognized in Belden's book on American silver on a spoon considered to be of Australian origin, as the (partially incomplete) mark was interpreted as representing a leaping kangaroo!! Even the best get fooled occasionally. IP: Logged |
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suomoo Posts: 40 |
posted 11-28-2005 03:38 PM
Thanks to all who have responded, this is very usefull information. IP: Logged |
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