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rian

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iconnumber posted 01-01-2008 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have new silver to show?

Santa Claus brought me this ice cream set for Christmas. No doubt it was made by German elves after 1886. The slice is marked with a crescent and crown, in the 800 standard, no makers mark that I can find. The spoons' pattern is slightly different, and the gilded bowls are elaborately decorated. The lapped ribbon effect reminds me of a wrapped present, very festive! They have the Wilkens mark added to the others.

Does anyone know the name of the pattern or how long it was made?


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DB

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iconnumber posted 01-01-2008 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A typical Rococo revival pattern, from the 1880s on. Speaking of ice cream sets - here is one, made in Vienna around the same time

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rian

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iconnumber posted 01-01-2008 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is a wonderful set DB, thank you. I love to look at ice cream spoons.

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blakstone

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iconnumber posted 01-03-2008 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
German patterns often don't have names and are then known simply by the pattern number. The Wilkens spoons are pattern number 116A, introduced, as DB says, around 1885. Couldn't find the server. Nice sets, both of you! Silver magazine had a good two-part article about ice cream sets & servers a couple of years ago, as I recall.

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rian

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iconnumber posted 01-04-2008 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Blackstone, you are a silver magician. 116A it is. I back ordered the ice cream articles last year. Great fun to read!

I have a set of old 800 silver soup spoons with gilded bowls in a pattern by Koch and Bergfeld which I have seen lately in sterling identified as Rococo. Perhaps only the patterns that were very popular over a long period of time acquired names?

I've picked up a few pieces of German flatware and am curious about the evolution of the German silver industry. How different were firms like Bruckmann and Koch Bergfeld from American factories like Whiting and Gorham? That patterns were usually numbered instead of named means the marketing must have been very different.

This is what my oldest (and now favorite) son gave me for Christmas. The little round bowled spoons are 4 inches long and both they and the sifter/strainer are entirely goldwashed. My guess is that they are salt spoons, because of the gilding. Is there anything else they could be? They are clearly marked crescent crown 800 Bruckmann eagle.


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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 01-15-2008 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rian, I have a 5 o'clock spoon in that same pattern, also entirely gold-washed, don't believe the gilding has anything to with protection from salt. With that shape and size, believe they'd be chocolate spoons with a sugar sifter. Happy to know the maker, my spoon (with a beautifully engraved W) is marked only with 800 and the early 20th century sans-serif POSEN retailer's mark.

~Cheryl

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blakstone

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iconnumber posted 01-15-2008 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, of course many German patterns did have names, and from the 1920's on most all did, and were actively marketed using them. And, as you say, many traditional patterns had names - the earliest Bruckmann patterns are known only by their names. Several of the modern designs of the early 20th century were also named, and I expect, too, that some German pattern names have been lost to time. I don't think the use of pattern numbers - which, I gather, is a today a convention used more by collectors and researchers rather than a marketing tool by manufacturers - is particularly significant. The development of the big German firms in the 19th & 20th centuries is, in fact, quite similar to that of their American counterparts.

I believe the pattern of your set is Bruckmann's no. 1051, introduced in 1887. I agree that it's a five o'clock set, and note that it could handily do double duty as a tea strainer and teaspoons.

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rian

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iconnumber posted 01-17-2008 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheryl and blakstone, thank you. I can more easily find an occasion to use them for chocolate or tea, and I have a beautiful little set of imari cups that are just the right size!

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 01-17-2008 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blakstone, you are always so helpful, now I have more information on my spoon too! Just as a note, with that rounded bowl and small size, they would be chocolate spoons rather than five o'clock spoons, which are rather smallish teaspoons (usually around 5-5˝ inches).

~Cheryl

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