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iconnumber posted 08-22-2007 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OWK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I recently acquired an early Hanoverian spoon. It is beautiful (at least to me), and is inscribed with a spectacular early cartouche ("MM over A" I think).

The spoon is about 8 inches long, with a comparatively large bowl, has a strong topside midrib, and is marked with only a single maker's mark. It looks very much like Jacob Ten Eyck's mark to me, although considerably less crisp (but I'm sure that's wishful thinking.

A few things I was hoping to learn...

1) Does the relatively wide drop make it unlikely that the spoon is American? (it was purchased with a lot of American coin of late 18th and early 19th vintage, all from various NY makers )

2) Is the cartouche characteristic of Dutch work? (I've seen similar engraving on early NY and Albany pieces from Dutch descended smiths)

3) Is my assumption that the spoon was made in the first half of the 18th century correct?

4) Who might have made the spoon, and where?

Thanks in advance for taking the time to help a novice enthusiast.

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iconnumber posted 08-22-2007 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your questions are reasonable ones, but based on the engraving, the drop, and the general shape and proportions, I would think it more typical of 18th Century European Hanoverians. There are many with only a maker's mark. The mark, although with conjoined letters, is not the ITE of Jacob Ten Eyck - I read the letters as IF or LF. Anything more would have to come from someone more knowledgeable about that area - we have several such contributors, so a better answer may be forthcoming.

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iconnumber posted 08-22-2007 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OWK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you swarter.

I had assumed Continental origin based as much on the wide drop as anything else. My limited experience usually points to Scandinavian with the wide drop feature. I'm still curious as to whether anyone knows if there are early American examples with a wide drop (whether it applies to this spoon or not).

I have also noticed that conjoined letters in marks are somewhat characteristic of American makers of Dutch descent. (that's what lead me to think dutch).

In any case, thanks again, and I look forward to hearing what others might have to add. (always looking to further my education)

Regards, Dan

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iconnumber posted 08-24-2007 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello OWK,

Nice old spoon you have, when I look in the only little book I've till now,this must be a 18th century spoon. Perhaps my fantasy is wrong but I think it can be a birth spoon, MAM is also used (and always will be used)in holland. The engraving at the top can be a basket which they used as a cradle. I saw a lot of pictures of paintings from that period, with the same looke like. Ofcourse a dutch family who went to the USA in that time let it made. I will research more if I found something I let you know, succes with the solution.

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iconnumber posted 08-24-2007 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Next try from my side.

I saw this afternoon the same model, this one was made by Joseph Hopkins from Waterbury CT around 1770. So I think this wil be the period they made this kind of spoons. I observed the connection from the bowl with the handle and that looked the same to me. I try to find more information about these models. I let you know!

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