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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 07-24-2010 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some people buy silver. Some people purchase silver. I do nothing of the sort I acquire.

I like the smell of that word. It might mean something else than I think - but I like the smell.

I just lost a long text - so instead we take it bit by bit.

I am an ordinary man - my life is ordinary - my wife is ordinary - I am a poor man - so I cannot get the wonderful think we see in books and at the established antique shops. So this ordinary man has to be full of ideas.

Wife and I visited 3 different flee markets in Copenhagen today. 2 downtown and one in the outskirts.

We have different approach - so wife seen it all and I was just getting started. At first marked I found this "silverplate" lid. The rest missing something to search for. Its a strawberry marmalade lid missing jar. Made of a famous danish silversmith Halberstad. No year mark so I expect 1940ties/50ties. Nice find even some missing.

And the "silverplate" is of the sort called silver.
But that was only to warm up.

To acquire silver you need an approach. I create a state of mind. I create a feeling of well being of fun and serious.

That is the sellers job - to create this feeling of welcome. I must say that most sellers do not have that skill. They do not create the cosy atmosphere - I do. As the seller play along - because they like it when I create the atmosphere. But result I get the merchandise and I set the price. The buyer set the price.

Not only do I decide - will I spend my nickel, I always get the product at a price lower that seller expected. I always get under his best price.

that the sport - It is not important whether it is 1$ or 100$. Its the creation of the proper atmosphere I like.

Next marked. As I acquire I start by searching. I study the silver - seller busy with another potential customer. He had several things that I liked. But I decided to get this sugar cup.

No hallmarks - seller oh yes they are there I found them once. As he could not find any hallmarks he had to turn to a neighbor for assistance. No hallmarks. Things have no price tag - so he requested a higher price. My response "so you found no hallmarks so price shuld be higher!" No hallmarks should we trade? gave him 50% of his original request.

We have now started ping pong - never seen each other before and we will never meet again. But we had fun for a while.

For me the fun has only started.

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 07-24-2010 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I expected the Netherlands - and I would expect i Lion somewhere. But somehow, the Netherlands never hide their marks. So I almost gave op. But a couple of hours searching. and - bingo.

another half hour

Can you see where it is. At first I thought it was mas a damage.

A days fun - ½ day in city, at home. An ordinary man found a bit of fun. Why do these french ue so tiny marks and why hide them?

But satisfactory when found.

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 07-24-2010 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To get the hallmarks into the open I boiled the sugar bowl. Poured boiling water over it. I cleaned it with diswasher soap. I cleaned it with spith - I used a lot of manpower. It was clean but my efforts still removed a lot of dirt.

Still the feeling. At the flee-marked i got involved with 2 other sellers. One we had a long talk - the other requested my name and thelephone number. Could he call me for assistance?
I had helped him place a Austria Hungarian item from Wienna 1855, that he mistaken believed to be danish provincial silver. As I said to him - now it added another 100kr to the price. No he said several hundreds kr.

That was a good day. In an ordinary mans life.

Ah almost forgot Emile Puiforcat 1857 onwards. Grandson uses mark until 1945. But a lot of skilled handicraft. So its the old guy I suspect.

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adelapt

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iconnumber posted 07-24-2010 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for a good story and an interesting insight into how one person goes about collecting, Hose_dk. I always enjoy your approach to it. Keep it up!

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-25-2010 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wonderful story, Hose_dk. Fun like that I don't think you can get on the internet. Seeing and feeling the silver plus the fun of talking to the dealers and setting the mood for negotiating is something you need to do in person.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 07-25-2010 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why do you not expect to see this seller again? This is a very enjoyable post, like your approach. Do the flea markets have regular sellers or is it a constantly changing group? Are the sellers all Danes or do they come from a number of countries? Tak för syst.

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 07-28-2010 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes indeed. The meeting is part of the fun. Getting new ideas and knowledge. Internet brings possibilities (I never sell) and finding of amazing things.

I will most likely meet him again. It is a few flea markets - that are regular. It was my second visit to the first and my third visit to the other.

The last flea market we will never visit again.

So yes I will see him again and could be trade. Most sellers are Danish.

My experience visiting markets - feeling, negotiating, etc. all part of the hobby. Making bargains in second hand shops are another. The research of origin of silver is yet another. As to share my findings on-line and hawing help in getting more knowledge - very impotent.

Getting greater know how - that is smile the debate is most likely what I appreciate most of all.

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Postnikov

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iconnumber posted 08-01-2010 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Postnikov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Hose_dk -
I really understand your feelings - what I like on flee markets or so called antique markets most is the absolute ignorance or personal overestimation of the dealers. A little example from last week: when I go to our flea markets I am always clothed very casual - most of them are in the open and when it start raining soon you wade through a little swamp. So after screening the offers (unfortunately no Russian or Baltic silver) I decided to visit an high-class antique marked in Munich. You have to pay an entrance fee (17.00 Euro), all the visitors styled and with wives, the atmosphere very pure, only whispering, no loud laughing etc.

I visited all the interesting stands - no Russian or Baltic silver - until I came to a seller who only exhibited English silver. While looking more or less uninterested over his ware, I detected a Russian looking cigarette case in silver. I asked the seller if I please could have a closer look at it.

With an annoyed look at my jeans and muddy shoes he asked me what I wanted to know. When I told him that I want to look at the marks to see where from this case was, he told me very distinct that it was a French case. While giving this answer he had his two thumps hooked into the vest of his 3 piece suit, bobbed up and down on his heels and told me, after being since over 25 years in business he exactly knows what he have. I insisted to seeing the case and after some reluctance he handed it over to me.A short inspection revealed a nice piece of I. Sazikov, a very famous Russian silversmith of the Court. The case was quite moderately priced for a French case and after some dealing I got it for 120.00 Euro. All the time his face had the impression of someone giving an ox a strawberry!

I could have kissed him for his ignorance...

Regards
Postnikov

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