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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 08-03-2008 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've a few questions about silver out of India, so I hope somebody can inform me about the subject.

When did they started with the 925 silver alloy in India?.

How can you recognize sterling (925) India silver?.
Which marks can be found at (real)silver objects from India?
How many marks been used with 925 indicated silver?

Silversmith? Silver alloy stamp? etc?
I think a good knowledge of silver before to buy silver in the catagory old Indian silver.

The reason I ask all these questions is that I have seen a tea set in a shop, the only information was, that the figures 925 were printed at little labels and the worth "silver" were printed in the bottom.

It was very expensive and it looked like silver plated to me, I saw copper shining through!
Perhaps I can make next time a photo of the set.
I wonder if there's a lot of misleading silver from that area?

And the last question is was the influence of Great Brittain strong in perhaps the design of tea sets in a certain period?

The purpose of this topic is hopefully find out about silver of India and reactions don't support to buy this set because it's much to expensive for me.

But perhaps it will help a lot of people, to learn about India silver.

Thanks a lot, silverhunter.

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 08-03-2008 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The marking of precious metals in India is essentially unregulated, and all such marks should be taken with a grain of salt because they are usually done just to impress and convince foreigners - who as outsiders who are unlikely ever to be seen again may be subject to trickery (and also allows for the telling of 'stupid foreigner' stories). This attitude is of course not unique to India.

There are/were individual firms and smiths who used marks of different sorts, including English-inspired pseudohallmarks. And some do use and have used a 925 mark. The collecting of Indian colonial export silver is growing, and there are some fakes appearing as well. New production done for export to the trade is usually marked 925 or sterling.

Locally one buys metals face-to-face from a trusted source, so marks are not important. And if there is any question the metal will be tested, often right before your eyes. So for old Indian silver (and gold), most pieces, especially those for local trade, will not be marked but some, especially those made for westerners, may be. And new production generally follows the same pattern, seldom marked if made for local consumption, often if made for export sale.

For local consumption, as in much of Asia, Indians generally prefer high-purity metals and much of what is made is likely of sterling or higher quality. But those who cannot afford it always have the option of lower-grade metals, which one sees often in tribal pieces, for example. Stones are also subject to this economizing; I've seen pieces combining real diamonds and glass in high-karat gold, for example.

It's a fascinating field, but one that does demand a certain investment in knowledge and expertise.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 08-04-2008 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The style of a silver object is very unrealiable for determining where or when it is was made. This is especially true in countries where international trade and cultural mixing are strong. Once a style is created, it soon spreads around the world if it is popular. Also, once a new style is created, it keeps being used again and again over the following years and centuries.

In a country like India, you need to keep in mind that it was not only the British who had an influence there from their colonization. For example, Greece colonized it for a while, as did Portugal, the Netherlands, France, Persia, Turkey, Mongolia, and India itself (India is really a collection of many smaller countries that used to invade each other). You can find elements of style from all of these countries and many others, along with the many styles of the different regions of India. There is also a great deal of hand work in Indian silver and much is worked in the same way it was worked hundreds of years ago. This type of construction, combined with the very large range of styles, and combined with the lack of any control over identification markings and common lack of any markings, makes identifing the age of silver from a place like India very difficult.

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 08-05-2008 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FWG and Kimo thanks a lot for all the information, advise and knowledge
about Indian Silver.
It's a lot of information so I learn again a little piece of the big tart.
When I look at the silver next time in that shop I will also put some questions about the period it is made and perhaps I can make a photo of the set. I will send a photo next time to this topic, so it will give more information when you can see the object ofcourse.
Thank you for your reaction and that you spend time for it to give good information,
I appreciate that always a lot!

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