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vathek

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2001 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This certainly looks French, with the P possibly being a date letter for Paris (or a P for Dijon?). Yet I can't find any French hallmark in an oval cartouche. Even the makers mark is identical in form to some French makers marks. The 2 marks shown are the only two that show on the piece (a pair of small casters) that are obviously hand made and of very high quality. Hopefully my photo will show up.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 01-30-2001 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that these casters are French, likely Paris, 1780's. The oval is certainly unusual, though. I have found that, in English silver of the same time period, the shape of the date letter surround can vary greatly from that published in Jackson. I can't explain it, but perhaps the same variation holds true in French silver.

Isn't it strange how a book like Tardy, with thousands of marks, never seems to have the one you are looking for? It happens to me all the time!

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 01-30-2001 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the reply, it's helpful to have another opinion. I also looked through "3 Centuries of French Domestic Silver" and "Poincons de Paris" without success. I hate to attribute something without finding an exact match and obviously if these are prerevolutionary French that adds a lot of interest.

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iconnumber posted 01-30-2001 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The marks may also be the work of one of the silver shops of the Hanau area. They were quite adept at French-like marks. Much of the work was of very high quality, both in period design and craft.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 01-30-2001 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are right, that is another possibility. I did not realize that the Hanau folks faked French marks, too. I thought they mostly made up marks or copied really old marks.

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