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Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 12-31-2008 07:40 AM [26-1774] So a member to the forum. As seen i my name DK I am from Denmark. Denmark is the oldest kingdom in the world. One of the old Europe. We have had a long tradition of silver and I collect. I don't sell any - just add to my collection. I am 50 years old and male. I suppose that male collectors are looking at silver in the analytical way. I have been interested in history and antiques for 30 or 40 years. have had different periods - and different interests. Glass was one. But my favorite is metal. For many years I have been collecting copper and brass. I think that I have approx. 30 different brass candlesticks from the period 1720 until 1800 Original baroc pieces. A similar number from the period Empire. 1800 until 1850. After that I lost interest. No style after 1850 is worth collecting - Almost nothing. A few years ago I fell in love with silver. Collects silver from Europe - Baltic's, Germany, Sweden and naturally Denmark and Norway. Austria/Hungary , the Netherlands. UK silver and metal is not my thing. I like the hand made pieces and UK lost it handicraft very early due to the industrial revolution. So I collect continental Europe. I am also a very poor man - therefor I cannot afford the fantastic pieces. But I try to find and select historic artifacts. So as this is my first (not really first but anyhow) I will also try a picture. Piece from 1799 Denmark. Then I am also sure that my post receives a reply IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 12-31-2008 07:56 AM Several people have been the owner of this piece from 1799. I a the latest owner bought it in November - I will borrow it for a period and then it will move on to someone else. My children do not share my interest. The original owner set his initials but very soon someone else added in 1817. and added until 1925 The ornamentation is nice In case this worked I have posted my first pictures. And the mark - anyone who cares how they are read? IP: Logged
bascall Posts: 1629 Registered: Nov 99	posted 12-31-2008 08:29 AM Thank you for the exceptional introduction. There are it seems only a small handful of people on forum with extensive knowledge of "continental" silver, so you will no doubt be a tremendous asset to those who share your interest. Yes, I would like to know how those marks read. Welcome to the forum. IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 12-31-2008 08:52 AM Thankyou for the respond. From top down. 3 towers 1799 - mark of Copenhagen and mark of all silver from Copenhagen used first time in 1608. From 1893 used all over Denmark. Every year a new mark - so if you cannot see the figures look at the towers they are different every year. Not used anymore. My oldest mark is of the 3 towers is 1716, but I have a book where every mark is drawn. Second mark F for Frederic Fabritius used 1787 until 1823. He was guardein - appointed by the king and controlles all silver. He was the sixt guardein in a row of 16. He had nothing to do with manufacture he just controlled. Third mark - makers mark AH for Andreas Holm born in Ribe 1735, educated in Odense approx 1750. Cityenship August 7th 1771 - he worked as a gold smith, but shifted into siver dead 1812. In fact he should make a new mark every year, but he did not therefor 96 for 1796. Last mark. Monthmark "Skytten" from November 22nd until December 12th. So that marks tells exactly when it was made and tax paid. It is a tax mark. IP: Logged
argentum1 Posts: 602 Registered: Apr 2004	posted 12-31-2008 10:55 AM Hose_dk Glaedelig Jul Godt Nytar Hope I got that correct. Welcome to the Silver Forum. Nice Fish Slice and the question of marks has been answered. Let us see some of your other silver pieces and your photographs are very good. IP: Logged
Dale Posts: 2132 Registered: Nov 2002	posted 12-31-2008 06:59 PM Welcome to the forum. Many thanks for the pics of your wonderful fish server. And for the information on the marks. A question that has come up a number of times concerns the style of the 1817 monogram. Is this a typically Scandanavian way of monogramming silver? Or is it more widespread than the Baltic countries? It is sometimes found on silver in the US, but invariably in Scandanavian American areas, as best I can tell. We also have had discussions about silversmiths who immagrated to the US from Norway, Sweden and Denmark. IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 01-01-2009 10:03 AM Thank you and it could go for Danish. I will remember to change my pictures into right size at post full picture in question. I did write Baltics but actualy I dont know that much regardin the 3 Baltic states. I was referring to what today is cities around the Baltic sea coast Poland, Germany. Regarding the initials - the dots. Yes that is very typical. As you see at my fish spoon - the silversmith engraved his items himself. Often they did not, but he did. So often you find an original engraving at the things. And later owners initials with the dots. Very common in Norway, Sweden and Denmark. In silver, copper ans brass. Often you find deep-cut engraving at an item and this primitive name initials. I soppose that people handled this themselves or found someone in the household. Often letters are in correct. Or turned 180 vertically. Or they use the letters T instead af F or vice-versa. The 2 letters are very similar engraved. The / in the letter � is often turned \ - I guess that this is because it was not done by a proffecional. IP: Logged
silverhunter Posts: 704 Registered: Jul 2007	posted 01-01-2009 05:07 PM Official welcome from this side Hose_dk, you already have reacted at some topics from my side, so now it's my turn. Indead my compliments for the way of introducing and sharp photographs and information from your side. In only knew the two and three tower marks but not the early one's, so it is good to get some marks(and including information). It's good to hear that you collect silver and have also other interesting items in your collection. At this side I also collect some different materials like you wrote but not the brass because they also are high priced for instance the jugendstil items. For instance the art school of Amsterdam is populair by collectors. The "pointed", instead of engraved letters give a more mysterious character with the item(personal opinion ofcourse). I think that archaeology, history, art, family tree research and some more interesting aspects can form a totaly base for a lot of people. I hope you will enjoy using this forum like I do and I hope that I can give for instance some information about the dutch silver. I just started at this forum in 2007, I don't have a lot of knowledge about the universal information about all that silver but I always will give it a try. And there is always a reaction from somebody or more like you can see. I hope, like you started with a lot of energy that this will continue for several years! A lot of fun and succes! silverhunter from holland. IP: Logged
FredZ Posts: 1070 Registered: Jun 99	posted 01-01-2009 05:20 PM Welcome to the forum. It appears that you are passionate about your collecting and gathering the information on each piece. I look forward to your posts in the future. Best Regards, Fred IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 01-01-2009 05:27 PM Thank you for that. I am sure that I will take advantage of your knowledge. That's what it is all about. Sharing knowledge - thereby getting new knowledge. etc.. The Guardian mark in Denmark is a good thing to know. 16 different guardians - you got that mark and you know approx. where in time you are. Here 1716 under the 3 towers. CL/MW :Conrad Ludolf 1679-1729 CL for his name. He was also M�ntz Wardein herof the MW. Month fish zodiakal 18.februay until 20 march. Maker Bendix Aagesen Lund born in Sk�ne approx. 1667, Citizenship September 2nd 1695 dead 1737. When you got guardian you have approx. time unless silversmith used old marks in order to avoid paying the tax. I have a piece made around 1830 containing makers mark (OK) and reused old marks for the 3 towers, guardian and month mark. A piece I believed was late 1700/1800 due to guardian mark, but turned out to be around 1830 - when I studied the mark using the book. And that was for silverhunter. Also thanks to Fredz IP: Logged
silverhunter Posts: 704 Registered: Jul 2007	posted 01-01-2009 05:57 PM I recognize the zodiakal stamp it was a earlier topic from my side about a norsk s�lv spoon (the mark was on a part of a stele) and the explination about the mark was that it was used untill 1820 in Norway. So what I understand now is that in more Scandinavian countries the mark is used! I will try to find the topic, the stele was also decorated with a kind of leaf pointed motif. The total showed marks are very clear and good information included, thanks again! IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 01-02-2009 12:36 AM No and yes. Norway was part of Denmark. And the danish regulation was also the Norwegian rules. 4 marks on every piece of silver larger than a specific amount. In the period 1676 until 1830 the zodiakalsigns was in use in the period 1830 until 1852 the naturalistic signs. I.e. I have a piece of silver with naturalistic signs that is earlier - If B�je is wrong? I don't know. But that is possible. Here is a Norwegian mark from Bergen 1742 Please note month mark is the 8th month of the year. Norwegian marks often have these I have not seen these on danish pieces. Another thing on this piece is that guardian is also maker. IP: Logged
silverhunter Posts: 704 Registered: Jul 2007	posted 01-02-2009 05:27 AM Thanks again, it's good to see all the marks, I'm beginning to doubt and think you have more beautiful silver items in your collection than a lot of musea have in Scandinavia! Also the early pieces are great to see. I enjoy the show from Denmark! IP: Logged

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