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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 03-25-2009 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[26-1826]

Final attempt with pictures. Either it goes well or I am simply to stupid. And the last is most likely the case.

So it worked - ????
1822 from the city of Aalborg.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-25-2009 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks good. wink

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 03-25-2009 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent!

Could you please add a close up photo of the markings also!

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sazikov

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iconnumber posted 03-25-2009 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sazikov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RE captains spoon

In the Baltic countries ship brokers joined since 1770 until 1880 the in the Baltic Sea area circulating custom to give the captains of the small transport ships which sailed from the province Groningen along the Dutch-German-Danish shore belt to all harbours of the Baltic Sea (Ostsee) as relationsgift silver spoons (Schifferpatentlöffel) as presents. Most of the ca. 22cm long spoons were signed with the name of the trading-house and the place and year of the donation. They came with and without punched town-and master marks of the silversmith. In Groningen where most of this spoons came originally together, there called "Ostzeelepels" or "Kapiteinslepel", were stored in the captain´s house in the linnen cupboard or exhibited on its visible backside. Unfortunately this spoons are widely scattered today. In the last 40 years spoons from Libau, Riga, Mitau, Reval and Narwa showed up in the Netherlandes. There are fine collections of captains spoons in public and private collections in Denmark, spoons with town-and master marks from Riga, Libau, Pernau and Reval are known. A big part of the spoons in Denmark are from Danzig, Königsberg, Pilau and Stettin.
This spoons have nothing to do with corruption, bribeing etc.!!

If you look for more information:
Kaptainsgaver, Handels og Sefartsmuseet, Kronburg,Ärborg 1961 and 1969
or:
Henrik Vensild, De sejlede ostpa - og fik solvskeer in: fra Bornholms Museum 1989, S.67 ff

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 03-26-2009 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that is interesting - I have added this to the original question.

My mustard cup was only a picture test with picture taken by my telephone. I shall take better pctures - marks on the spooon - but I will revert.

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 03-26-2009 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Hose_dk and Suzikov,

Suzikov interesting story about the kapiteins lepels/captain spoons.I read it twice to understand all information. I have only one book about silver from the provence Groningen. They didn't showed one picture about these one's, but certainly they will be collected in Holland and over the border like you informed in your reaction. The silver I have from Norway(one from Königsberg) have also a connection with other cities. Related to Bergen and , Christiansund.
Also harbour cities,perhaps a sailor from Holland collected silver, bought these silver items in these harbour cities, pieces made by Olsen, Olsens, Aasen, Hammer,Jostrup,Brødrene Lohne and perhaps a few other more and brought them to Holland.

I hope it is possible to send a photo of a captainspoon for example from your side.

Hose_dk thanks again for showing the beautiful silver you have. The quality of the picture is good.
Technic is not always quality but in this case it is.
About old spoons short info, in Holland there are many 18th century spoons and forks even some 17th century spoon for sale.
I only have bought a little lot of silver (spoons and forks) perhaps there is a ? item in it and perhaps send a new topic.


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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 03-26-2009 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Mustard cup no marks on cup. But text "Venskabs Minde D. 15. October 1822" Friendship memory October 15th 1822.

The spoon has the city mark for Aalborg - 3 towers over 3 vawes. makers mark struck 2 times HS for Henning Jacob Smith born in Randers approx 1794ncitienship 8/3 1816 dead 1856,

[This message has been edited by Hose_dk (edited 03-26-2009).]

Hallo Silverhunter glad you liked it.

I hope that the pictures I posted earlier today were better.
Spoons from see - I just picked up 2 of the 3 books - so now off for reading.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 03-26-2009 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The phone camera worked, but it didn't do the mustard cup justice. That is nice.

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 03-27-2009 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The technic is running fast, but concerning mustard they constructed the tube or even worser plastic flacons. I realy enjoy going back in the time and in this case to see a beautiful nearly 200 years old functional and nice decorated silver piece.(with engravings). Never makes sounds after being nearly empty( plastic flacons do).

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Elisabeth7291

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iconnumber posted 06-23-2009 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elisabeth7291     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hose_dk - I just saw this... this is a beautiful piece!

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 06-24-2009 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's good to read the topic again, this afternoon I saw a pattern at internet from such a East Sea spoon or Captains spoon.
Sazikov mentioned the length around 22 cm of such a spoon. In another topic my question was about a spoon from Königsberg nowadays mentioned Kaliningrad. Blakstone told me the maker of this pattern of a serving spoon or just a big pattern dinner spoon?. Seeing the pattern of a spoon made in 1862 in Stettin, that spoon was engraved with the name F.v.Padelsen Schiffsmakler Stettin and with a date. I have to look at internet were all these harbours are located. Back to my spoon, I begin to doubt if it is a East Sea Spoon pattern but it is used as wedding gift, because two initials were engraved in it.
So wedding spoons look the same like East Sea spoons to me and it was a common pattern. Or (thats my question) are there different patterns made for East Sea spoons/captains spoons?
Is it possible to show one, by a owner of such a spoon?
Sazikov if you ever read this reaction can you also tell me/us what your interest is in silver. You know a lot about history of silver I begin to believe.

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 06-25-2009 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by silverhunter:
Seeing the pattern of a spoon made in 1862 in Stettin, that spoon was engraved with the name F.v.Padelsen Schiffsmakler Stettin and with a date. I have to look at internet were all these harbours are located.
So wedding spoons look the same like East Sea spoons to me and it was a common pattern. Or (thats my question) are there different patterns made for East Sea spoons/captains spoons?

East sea pattern - compaired to wedding spoon. I am not sure I understand your question.
What we call wedding (spoon, cup etc) is things with initials indicating a couple. Not the pattern. Same with captains spoon - it is the engraving on a spoon that defines. Please show a picture of your german now polish Szczecin spoon,

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 06-25-2009 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to make life difficult for others, in English we call the Ostsee the Baltic Sea rather than the East Sea.

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 06-25-2009 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
to make it complete - Østersøen is the danish name.

Ostsee in German

Morze Baùtyckie in Polish and we can go on thanks to google translate...

[This message has been edited by Hose_dk (edited 06-25-2009).]

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 06-25-2009 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've heard of baltic states but in Holland geographic interpretation is also spelled Oostzee. Like the Noordzee(North Sea). But the important fact is the story behind it.
Silver spoons as gifts for good craftmenSHIP. Tomorrow I will send my weddingspoon (with same pattern of a captain spoon).

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