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Postnikov

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2009 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Postnikov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi silberpunze -

Here is what I can do for you. There was no other evolution of the spoon in Russia than in the rest of the world (finger, wood, bone, bronze, copper, iron, aluminum, silver, gold and today plastic).

The typical Russian spoon came in different qualities: silver, silver gilded, niello, enamel cloisonné, enamel champlevé, enamel plique á jour, silver gilded and lacquered/painted and gold 56 zolotniki (583,33/1000 - 14 carats). The silver content varied from 84 zolotniki (875/1000) to 88 zolotniki (916,67/1000) and 91 zolotniki (947,92/1000).

The standard "non-typical" Russian spoon was the thread pattern. There were also all the from Europe copied patterns like neobaroque, neorokoko, jugendstil etc.etc.

Some photos:
Mocca spoons

Coffee/tea spoons

Large spoons, sugar spoons

Laquered/painted large spoons

Fabergé mocca spoons



Standard thread pattern spoons

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Postnikov

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2009 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Postnikov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Request of silberpunze/ Russian spoons part 2

The shown spoons range from 1800 -1917.
Marks:
The rigid Russian marking laws stipulated exact markings: town mark, assayer with date and name, silversmith and/or dealer and silver content. Watch out for the countless fakes - do your homework and know your marks. Even on the smallest spoon must be the proper marks. If marks are blurry or sloppy - beware!

Some examples of spoon marking. The assayers and the smiths had punches in all sizes - from micro to large!! If you see an enamel spoon fresh from the workshop with no wear and tear but with diffuse marks - run!

Kilpelainen, Mathias Henrik - St. Petersburg

P. Ovtschinnikov with the rare 91 zolotniki (947,92/100) silver content - Moscow

Brothers Gratschev - St. Petersburg

sometimes the spoons are marked here

13 th Artel - Moscow

O.Kurljakov - Moscow

Fabergé, 88 zolotniki (916,67/1000)

Hope the photos are not too large - but otherwise you can not see very much - and you have what you wanted.

Regards
Postnikov

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silberpunze

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2009 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silberpunze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's great.
Just something I had imagined. Thank you for your work - and it looks like that's interesting, not only for me ;-)
Your collection is very beautiful. Russian spoons are truly distinctive.

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2009 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is what I love about the Internet and these forums; normally I would not spend much time with Russian silver because, although I like it the marks have always been a bit of a puzzle. Postnikov thank you for the great images and the tutorial on zolotniki. My next encounter with Russian silver will be with much more confidence.

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 11-20-2009 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beautiful collection and even the great name F., you can be proud with such a nice set of spoons. Also thank you for showing and take time for making the topic. Untill now I only knew the 84 mark and be totaly informed by the other alloys.
The silvermarks are made beautiful sharp by good photographs, my compliments fot that!
In combination with the good information it is a nice topic for to read (and read it more than once).

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