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Salvatorparadise

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iconnumber posted 03-03-2010 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Salvatorparadise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[26-1964]

Hi guys,

My first post here. A poster on the [an auction site] antiques board told me about this forum. My specialty is early photos but I'm also keen on silver and working to expand my (very limited, so far) knowledge.

I do buy and sell a lot of antiques, but at the moment I am mostly selling early photos, particularly
daguerreotypes, ambrotypes and tintypes.

I am 29 and have been into antiques my entire life, and have been an active dealer for several years now selling at shows, and in private sales to dealers and collectors. BUT, in addition to making money to pay my school loans, I do it because I love the history and the story behind pieces. I also love learning and the research process.

In the past few years I have also begun to collect. Again, primarily early photos, but for the past year or so my interest in silver has grown greatly. I am buying reasonable pieces that I can keep to research and enjoy and to expand my knowledge, and perhaps to use! I do not plan on selling this piece.

During the day time I am a full-time journalist in Ohio.

Can you guys help me ID this piece?

It looks quite old to me. It has an inscription on it that is tough to make out. It appears to say "Meirine Heinsen" then the next two words are really hard to read, followed by an "1867."

This spoon is unmarked, but looks to be of an early construction and shines up nicely like silver. A magnet does not stick to it. I see no plate coming through, except there is an odd spot adjacent to the third word, with a couple of red looking dots. I wonder if this spoon is plate and that is plate coming through? I really hope not. I can't see this anywhere else, and not even in the engraved area. The seller told me this was tested and tested as silver. I wonder if that spot is where they tested it?

I'd love it if it was a really early silver spoon, but without marks, it's hard to say. What do you guys think of it in terms of age and origin? It is about 8" in length.

I liked it for the rat tail and for the faces on each side of the topper of the spoon handle, and, of course, for the engraving...

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Salvatorparadise

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iconnumber posted 03-03-2010 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Salvatorparadise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And here is that inscription, and my apologies if I'm messing up anyone with a slow connection, I like pictures!:

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Salvatorparadise

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iconnumber posted 03-04-2010 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Salvatorparadise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, this piece has no other markings that I can see other than the pricked inscription...

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 03-04-2010 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello and welcome to the forum. As a general rule, inscriptions using dots are Scandanavian, or more precisely Baltic. The twist handle looks to be hand done. The lack of a mark is puzzling, but DKHose knows much more about it than I do. The third word appears to be Jambolmer . which I don't recognize. The type of design is refered to as Medallion for the face. Interesting item.

What is helpful is to know the size of the piece. That way we can figure out what it was originally meant to be/

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Salvatorparadise

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iconnumber posted 03-04-2010 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Salvatorparadise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Dale -

From the top of the medallion measuring down the handle to the end of the spoon is 8"

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 03-06-2010 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sense is that it is exactly what the date suggests--1867, and that it was a presentation spoon in a modern style (medallion) mixed with a traditional local form with 18th-century roots (hence the rattail). The twisted shank would have been both baroque and modern, and hence suitable for both...I wish someone could translate the inscription--it's a weird interesting form, clearly associated with some regional foodway--like a brandy ladle or something like that.

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Salvatorparadise

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2010 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Salvatorparadise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks guys, very cool!

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2010 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Baltic or danish or Swedish or Norwegian, German the prik engravement was used in a number of countries.

The maskeron used in a number of years but in "Historisismus" around 1860/1900 indicates that dating is = manufacture.

I am sure its plated.

Could be danish

I read Marine Hansen Tombalmark

you have in hand - write letter by letter. Place an ? when in doubt.

mark=field in danish so last word might be a location. Unknown to me but I cannot see it clearly. Therefor take my - and try writing letter by letter.

Marine is not correct - that is first name - and should be something else.

Hansen is a common sur name - therefor I believe in danish origin.

Next step write the letters you see - include ??? where in ?.

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2010 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wild guess there is a Sindy Marine Hansen on Facebook.
I know that it is not her. But name - that could be that I have read also first name right.


So we might concentrate on third word, location.

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2010 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


Torndal mark is a location in Northern Jutland. Close to my home town. (30 to 50 kilometers) Hals Sogn (Aalborg_Kommune)
Sorry it is in danish
And when I say small - I mean SMALL very small (i.e. could be as little as one house)


frown picture - turn and darken collers. Then confirm my findings.

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