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vathek

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iconnumber posted 02-14-2003 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I recently acquired this item. It is handmade, unmarked, hand engraved. The end is pointy enough that it could be stuck into something. The 'spike' handle is hand formed and the hammer marks can be seen all over, though they are not prominent. The length is 14". It doesn't seem usable as a spoon.

Any ideas?

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doobees

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iconnumber posted 02-14-2003 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doobees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi - Very interesting. Is there any piercing to the "spoon" part at all? The handle could work like the end of a mote spoon does, to unclog a teapot spout, but there is usually a pierced spoon end used to get the stray floating leaves and other nasty stuff. Is the "spoon" end flat or bowl shaped at all?

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wev
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iconnumber posted 02-14-2003 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have heard that there is a cocktail of Russian origin involving a sugar cube melted in a spoon over flaming vodka (wasting perfectly good vodka). Given the double headed eagle (one assumes), perhaps this is the use?

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 02-14-2003 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My guess is that this is a skewer used to hold roasts together. The sharp end goes thru the meat, the ornate end is so it can be seen and pulled out as carving progresses. Beautiful item.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 02-15-2003 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the responses. It really is large, too large(keep in mind it's over a foot long) to be useable as a mote spoon. The bowl is concave like a normal spoon, but shallow. It would be usefull only for a small amount of liquid. It ocurred to me that it might be used in an ornamental way for roast or a whole roast pig or something.

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 02-15-2003 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here in the southwest I often come across similar type items that I believe have Hispanic origin and may have been used to fasten garments. I cannot explain the double headed eagle chasing in the bowl. I will see if I can find a name for this Hispanic item.

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2003 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have found the information concerning similar type spoons to the one shown. The text was taken from a website on world spoons at a Geocities site. It is quite possible that the spoon in question was made in the fashion of these South American spoons. The website is filled with images as well.

Araucanian Topu (Tobu) Spoons

The large tribe of Araucanian Indians of Chile and Argentina live in the area of the Rio Choapa and the Gulf of Corcovado. The tribe is subdivided into the Picunche, Mapuche and Huiliche who lived west of the Andes and the Pehuenche who lived in the central Chilean highlands. The Argentinian Araucanians live east of the Andes mountains.

These tribes fought many bitter battles against the Spanish conquerors and were basically undefeated until late in the 19th century.

The "spoons" shown here are large, unmarked, hand made and are highly unusual. They do show some Colonial Spanish influences, but the designs are overwhelmingly indian origin. These spoons are not used for eating, rather they are decorative and used as a form of jewelry."

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 02-16-2003 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Fredz, after viewing that site there is no doubt that this is what this is, but I'd have to say that that's an answer I would never have expected.

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