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doobees

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iconnumber posted 06-06-2003 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doobees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I acquired this nice fish knife and now have 3 questions.

By the Tête de Minerve(1), I know the handle is French silver .950, 1838 - 1962. The handle maker's mark is F?F - The blade is Metal Blanc 6G, maker's mark:
A anchor f

Does anyone recognize the marks? Then maybe then I can date it more precisely.

... and how can you tell for sure if a monogram has been removed? I see some blemishes in the monogram area, but am not sure if there was ever a monogram there.

Many thanks for any help!

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iconnumber posted 06-06-2003 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Careless removals are easy to detect. If a buffing wheel was used with too much rouge and/or pressure, the metal will have been softened or melted and show a wavy surface; otherwise there may merely be a depression, down to the depth of the lowest cut, and light will be reflected unevenly -- these unskilled attempts only serve to mar the piece. The margins of the reserve may also be affected. Careful removals of shallow engraving might be more difficult to detect. A silversmith might have additional suggestions. Fred??

Hollow handled pieces like the one you show are made of thin silver backed by another substance and often show piniprick dents - if that is the only problem with your piece, there may have never been a monogram, but a photo doesn't always show everything.

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doobees

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iconnumber posted 06-08-2003 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doobees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swarter, thank you for the reply. I examined my knife very closely and - bearing in mind your guidance, I now do not think it did ever have a monogram. Another little lesson learned! smile

It's pretty substantial in weight. How did you know it was hollow handled?

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iconnumber posted 06-08-2003 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Solid silver shouldn't ordinarily dent that easily. Such handles are usually filled with a softer compound like resin or pitch, and can feel fairly heavy.

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iconnumber posted 06-10-2003 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doobees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swarter - Merci... for the tip!

..and here I was thinking you were just psychic.

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Dale

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I have run into a few pieces over the years where the following scenario occurred. A very shallow monogram was placed on a piece, pretty much just scratched in. The bride to be vetoed it. The piece was smoothed out as much as possible. Another one was scratched in. This too was not quite what she wanted. Finally, after much effort, no acceptable monogram is possible. So, the silver set contains several pieces that have this kind of scratching on them. Had an acceptable monogram ever come along, it would have covered up or incorporated the blemishes shown.

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Hollow handled knives and serving pieces are the most easily damaged and monogram removal is the most damaging on these pieces. The thickness of the metal used to form these handles tends to be rather thin and any removal of metal is detrimental.

I discourage monogram removal and consider it part of the history of the silver item. I have seen many early pieces damaged by such removal.

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