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jeff
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iconnumber posted 08-31-2004 06:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Just found this website through a recommendation. I think I might have to order the one silver/gold book. Is it good for an absolute beginner?

Also, the reason I found the board is, I need help identifying a mark. Ive seen a set of apostle spoons and I was hoping someone might help me with them. This is the best pic I have:

Any help would be appreciated. I've read to make sure that the apostle are well "carved" and that the have the right "weapons of their death".

Anything else?

Thanks

Jeff

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iconnumber posted 09-01-2004 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately, the photograph is not large enough to make a positive identification. However, the marks look to me to be false, in imitation of 17th-18th century Dutch marks. They resemble authentic marks, but there are some errors; for instance the two crowned "x"'s at the top looks like the mark for Amsterdam, but the genuine mark has three "x"'s.

Curiously enough, I just made a post on this same board regarding false Dutch marks. They were used not necessarily to decieve - though doubtless they have - but to make reproductions items (often apostle spoons) seem more authentic. Such items generally should have genuine marks from the period they were made, but they are often well-hidden or occasionally missing all together, sometimes having been buffed away by uscrupulous dealers.

Also, the "rattail" on the spoons in the picture looks all wrong to me; it should be longer and more graceful and clearly a separate part to which the bowl has been attached. This looks like it was cast as one piece and then "punched in" to make the tail appear as though it were added. Also, the join at the stem and bowl looks flimsy, and the chasing on the stem is muddy - like it was cast and not chased at all.

In short, I have grave suspicions. I think it is a late 19th or 20th century reproduction, probably Dutch, but possibly German or Italian.

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iconnumber posted 09-05-2004 09:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the reply. They are coming up at auction, didn't know if they were old or not. I'll stay away just in case...

Jeff

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