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Boris unregistered |
posted 11-25-2002 06:39 PM
 
I have a teaspoon from Russia dated 1869. Master mark is BC(Cyrillic) or BG(Latin). Silver gilt with engraved view of old Russian city, possibly, Moscow, and neillo. Very fine work. I'm wondering around whom it may belong to, since it seems a little early for Faberge silversmith guru - Vladimir Solovev, and I don't know for sure about Vasiliy Surzhikov marks. It has hallmark 84 plus 1869 plus Georgiy Pobedonocetz mark( a man on a horse killing a dragon). Anybody could suggest me of something? IP: Logged |
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sazikov2000 Posts: 254 |
posted 02-27-2005 08:23 AM
BC is BS in Latin! There exist 19 BC marks. I need a foto or sketch of the mark to tell you who it is. Sazikov2000 IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 03-01-2005 07:33 PM
Why did Russians some times use cyrillic and some times Latin letters? Tom IP: Logged |
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ozfred Posts: 87 |
posted 03-01-2005 08:53 PM
An informative but out-of-print publication is
Siecles" by Goldberg, Michoukov, Platonova, Postnikova-Losseve, Moscow 1967. IP: Logged |
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blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 03-01-2005 11:43 PM
I suspect the BC (VS in the Latin alphabet) that you see is actualy the assayer's mark of Viktor Savinkov, who was far and away the most active assayer at the Moscow office; he worked there from 1855 to at least 1894. If the "BC" appears directly above the "1869", then this is the assayer's mark. The maker's mark should appear by itself. Most Russian maker's marks quite naturally use the Cyrillic alphabet. The Latin alphabet was used quite a bit in St. Petersburg, where the style was more Western European (as were many of the consumers!); it was much less common, though occasionally used in Moscow again primarily for companies which catered to the Western market. Other exceptions were countries under Russian jurisdiction where the native language used the Latin alphabet: Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. (And Georgia sometimes used the old Georgian alphabet!) However, this applies mostly to maker's marks; assayer's marks were, with very few exceptions, in Cyrillic. (With the exeption of the letter "I", which, until the mid-19th century, was not uncommonly rendered as our Latin "I" instead of the backwards "N" of Cyrillic.) Finally, the standard reference for Russian marks is M.M. Postnika-Losseva's "Silver & Jewelry of the 15th-20th Centuries: Territories of the USSR", 3rd. ed. (Moscow, 1995). Unfortunately, it's only in Russian (but surprisingly accessible to the English speaker with a rudimentary understanding of the Cyrillic alphabet), expensive ( what mark book isn't?), and hard to find (though I have seen it lately for $120 or so on - ahem - a popular online auction site.) [This message has been edited by blakstone (edited 03-01-2005).] IP: Logged |
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sazikov2000 Posts: 254 |
posted 03-02-2005 03:56 AM
Some interesting background informations to the habit of using Cyrillic and/or Latin letters in the Russian hallmarking concerning the silversmiths or masters: St. Petersburg was at that time the capital of the Russian Imperium, extremly rich and feudal and attracted many foreign silversmiths and artists from allover "poorer" Europe. They were no Russian citizens, only "guests", trying to participate on the Russian wealth. Some of them assimilated and became Russians citizens, some not. James Stuart Shanks (British citizen), merchant in Moscow, firm "Shanks&Bolin", Supplier to the Court. Nichols&Plinke" (British citizens). Gustav and Johann-Wilhelm Schaf (Prussian citizens). Heinrich Skrivan (Austrian citizen). In 1900 Supplier to the Court. Georg Abraham Sax (French citizen). Jean-George Pfund (Swiss citizen). Alexander Kordes (Latvian citizen). Henrikson Johann (Finish citizen). Most of the gold - or silversmiths of the Faberge´firm were Finish or Swedish citizens. Sazikov2000 IP: Logged |
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