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spooned

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2005 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spooned     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have a set of silver with no Maker's Mark or City Marks. Can I assume that the lion passant indicates London? Also my Gravy Ladle reads 'Mappin & Webb', but not in their usual stamp and the Soup Spoons read 'Kents'. Any help would be MUCH appreciated!


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iconnumber posted 02-26-2005 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your photo of the marks is blurred, but if the word next to the marks is "sterling," then your piece is probably American not British. The lion passant on British silver means "sterling," so adding the word would be redundant. But as I said, I cannot read the marks clearly.

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2005 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The photo resolved into a clearer image. Your pieces are definately not British. The lion is not in the proper stamp and again the "925" would be redundant on British sterling since by definition, sterling means 925 parts per thousand pure silver. There is a Kent Silversmiths in New York in business since 1936. They made and imported both sterling and plate.

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2005 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since you are familiar with "their usual stamp" I assume you know that Mappin & Webb LTD is a British firm originally based in Sheffield. The firm had been bought out and absorbed into a larger firm, British Silverware LTD.

As for your other pieces, the lion passant indicates only Sterling; the city mark is often omitted from small work; the omission of a maker's mark is unusual, but not unprecedented. We would need to see a picture of the marks to determmine if these are true hallmarks or pseudohallmarks, in which case they would not be British.

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2005 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now I have question. Why would they stamp silverwar "sterling", "925" and add the lion passant?!!

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iconnumber posted 02-28-2005 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Granted that the third one is British, are the first two American?

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Your set was made by a company called Roden Brothers, they were silversmiths based in Toronto from the early 20th century until they were bought out by Birks (like every other silver manufacturer in Canada), I think just after the second world war.

Many of the Canadian manufacturers used some form of lion in their mark.

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