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silvart

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iconnumber posted 11-22-2007 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silvart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have a little silver box from 1928 stamped with the traditionally Swedish marks ('Three Crowns', S, 830S). The dimensions of the box are: Length 6.2 cm (2.4 in), width 4.1 cm (1.6 in) and depth 1 cm (.4 in). The picture shows the box is equipped with a drawer.

Does anybody know what this item is (what it was used for)?
My own guess - a snuff-box.
Am I right?

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 11-22-2007 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neat piece. Could you show us the front engraving, please? My tentative guess is that it is for cigarettes.

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adelapt

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iconnumber posted 11-22-2007 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tiny cigarettes!

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 11-23-2007 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It'd be about the right size for a vesta, or match case.... My initial suspicion would fall against something powdered, like snuff, as opening and closing a slide like that can create eddies that can puff powder out - also more likely to get jammed by powder getting into the works.

I'd also like to see the front engraving, it looks nice! Looks like a named storefront - Heimanns something?

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 11-23-2007 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heimanns varieties??

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 11-23-2007 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps it's Heimann's varehuse like warehouse I think they sell there cigarettes and powder etc.

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silvart

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iconnumber posted 11-24-2007 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silvart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks a lot to Dale, adelapt, FWG, Scott and silverhunter for suggestions and good ideas.

My first thought when I saw the item was a cigarette box. I left the idea because of the smallness of the box (didn't think of small cigarettes). A match-case also crossed my mind but this time I found the box a little too big. I accept FWG's argument for the box not fitting well for something powdered.

The nice engraving - a lady's department store - is irrelevant for the box itself. The text says 'Heimanns varuhus' = 'Heimann's warehouse' (department store). On the other side of the box is a date in 1928 engraved. I am sure the box was made on the occasion of the opening of the department store.

My favorite suggestion for now is a match-case. I would love to hear more suggestions and comments.

Thanks again.

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 11-25-2007 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Next try from this side, perhaps it's 1.a box for sewing-things?

Second opinion is that the box was filled with a sponge, sprankled water and used for moist stamps.

Where is the shop located and does it still exist? I've looked for the name in Stockholm but there are more heimann's of course. But if you will give the name of the city it will be helpful.

I think it's to small for collecting business cards inside and I don't know if this was used in that period?

I'm following the topic! success.
don't know

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 11-25-2007 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, we give advice here not because we are in the advice giving business but because we genuinely like silver. And are interested in seeing the whole piece. While you might find the engraving on the front irrelevant to your question, I enjoy examining engravings. And wanted to see it so I could figure a few things out. Like if it is hand work or stamped. What sort of building it shows. If the building appears older than the makers date for the box. The whole piece tells us a lot. And we can glean more information from that.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 11-25-2007 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do the words 'minne' or 'snus' appear anywhere on the piece? Who is the maker? What bothers me is that it appears to be earlier than 1928 judging by the style of the engraving and decoration.

It could be a portable ashtray.

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silvart

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iconnumber posted 11-26-2007 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silvart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry Dale,
I'll take some more pictures of the box. Just give me a little time.

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 11-26-2007 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, yes -- I had forgotten about portable ashtrays! Always struck me as highly inelegant solutions to the problem, due to the blowing about of ash as they're opened and closed (yes, I've experienced that first-hand -- maybe with practice one can avoid it?). But they do exist. Haven't seen one for so long I can't remember the last time, though.

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silvart

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iconnumber posted 11-26-2007 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silvart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The storehouse which is engraved on the box was located in Stockholm. It is a typical Swedish building - from the end of the 19th century, I think. The store itself hasn't existed for many years (at least not under that name). I neither know where in Stockholm the house is located nor if it still exists to day.

The box has no marks besides those mentioned in my first post. That means no maker’s mark or a year indication in the Swedish way - a combination of a letter and a number. It has only the engraved date (for the occasion?) shown on the photo. Also, no ‘minne’ (memory) or ‘snus’ (snuff) appear on the item.

The suggestions of yours are all very interesting and I thank you for them. Thanks also to silverhunter for joining the ‘game’. But maybe the fact that the 'cover' of the end of the slide is missing, can add some info of the use of the box. Why did the 'cover' fell off? Maybe it was made of another material. A sort of cardboard or something else who could be used for lightening of vestas (matches). Does the missing part strengthen the match-case suggestions?

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swarter
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iconnumber posted 11-26-2007 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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A sort of cardboard or something else who could be used for lightening of vestas (matches). Does the missing part strengthen the match-case suggestions?

It very well might. A match case should have some provision for striking the matches. Perhaps in this example a replaceable abrasive strip could have been attached.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 11-27-2007 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the pics, really help. The engraving appears hand done, which makes this likely a one of a kind item. The style of engraved date is one seen on a lot of old Swedish silver. September 20, 1928 does not ring any bells. There are old vestas that had a renewable cardboard strip put on them, it was very much like the striker found on books of matches.

Safety matches were invented at Jönköping in Smaland. 1928 was at the height of the career of Swedish match king Ivar Krueger. Wikipedia has the story at Ivar Kreuger .

Hei is not a Swedish word or name, per the online dictionary. Generally words with dipthongs are imported. However if we change the third letter to an 'L' we get Helmanns Varuhus: All People's Department Store. Hel means whole,complete, all. Can't find any information for that. But in older engravings, sometimes one letter is put in lower case without the engraver catching it until it is too late. There are words at the top of the windows that I can't make out. They may tell the story.

Anyway, neat piece. My suggestion would be that the engraving and gift were later events in the life of a provincial piece. If it is a match holder, which seems likely, a gift of one in honor of the match king showing a store makes some sense.

Hope this helps.

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silvart

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iconnumber posted 11-27-2007 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silvart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dale,

I really appreciate sharing your knowledge and research results with me. Important to learn that the engraving are made special for this piece (and maybe a few others!!!). Interesting also that although the engraving is made in 1928 the piece itself is probably older. On the original piece I can make out that what seems to be words in the windows on the engraving actually are ‘shadows’ (vertical lines). The Heimann name is verified being spelled in this way.

A search on the internet resulted in among others two hits which showed pieces which look very similar to mine with almost identical dimensions. The pieces were called 'silver slide vesta/match safe'. A rather strong indication that my piece also being a match safe.

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 11-27-2007 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Silvart,

I'm glad the solution is found and I only have this information that (sverige language continue) den äldre brodern Teodor ben-Heimann
Mannheimer var flera ar.......... som utvidgats
till ett stort varuhus med nahnet Nordiske Kompaniën genom vilken............artikel Semi-Gotha 1939 - 1941 heimann varahus stockholm( articel searced on snip/....
internet information.

I thought we had nice cities over here, but from photos it's beautiful Stockholm I think it's nice to live there.

Perhaps you once recognize the building from your engraved silver object.

Greetings Silverhunter, all the best.
And enjoy the hobby and silver.


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silvart

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iconnumber posted 11-28-2007 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silvart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the words, silverhunter, I'll check out the site.
And thanks too all for helping by sharing your knowledge and ideas.

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