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arthur Posts: 43 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 03-05-2006 08:55 AM [26-0938] I am still trying to figure out who this maker is and if its silver or plate or what? I have looked on the internet with this name and can't find him or her. Any help thanks. Also if you cant see the name says L Axelson then a face with 1 crown looking at you then NS IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 03-05-2006 02:03 PM Arthur, Your picture of the marks is too faint to read. Judging by the ethnicity of the name and what you describe, it could be Sweden, which did you used crowned heads as well as date and city letters. This conclusion, however, can be no more than an educated guess until we see a clearer photo or drawing of the marks. Good luck, Tom IP: Logged
arthur Posts: 43 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 03-05-2006 02:52 PM this should be a better pic thanks for helping everyone IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 03-05-2006 03:28 PM We really need better photos..... The improvement on the mark helps. I enlarged/lighten things for a better look. To me, it sort of looks like the "standard" pattern Prince Albert. I suppose the mark L Axelson could the retailer... It looks as if the L Axelson has been struck on top of another mark. IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 03-05-2006 03:55 PM I think Scott's conclusion is correct, which makes me wonder if NS does not mean "nickel silver." Tom IP: Logged
arthur Posts: 43 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 03-05-2006 04:01 PM Its such a small mark; I will try and draw it instead IP: Logged
arthur Posts: 43 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 03-05-2006 04:12 PM Hello again, I suck at drawing how about this I have seen this face before except there were 3 crowns on the top of his head this head has 1 crown 3 points to it. IP: Logged
Tad Hale Posts: 120 Registered: Jul 2005	posted 03-05-2006 04:14 PM Could the NS be Nova Scotia? IP: Logged
FWG Posts: 845 Registered: Aug 2005	posted 03-05-2006 05:38 PM MacKay's book on the Atlantic Provinces does not list an Axelson, and in fact a mark of NS for Nova Scotia is pretty unusual -- H (for Halifax) is much more common. I think that Tom was on the right track. The mark looks like an incomplete set of marks for the smith / firm Ludvig Axelson (probably Jr rather than Sr -- that would be Stockholm, c.1896-1912). The date code seems to be missing -- that looks clearly like NS, not N5, which would be a bit early anyway -- but perhaps the NS is the manufacturing smith (there are at least a couple of candidates in Sweden, late 19th - early 20th century) and Axelson's mark overstruck the date code. However, this mark is not shown for either Axelson in Holmquist. That bowl form and handle would not be out of place on a Swedish ladle from that period, either.... [This message has been edited by FWG (edited 03-05-2006).] IP: Logged
arthur Posts: 43 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 03-05-2006 05:44 PM Thank you for all the info on this ladle the mark for L axelson did seem strange that it goes at an angle upwards. IP: Logged
tmockait Posts: 963 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 03-05-2006 05:46 PM Three crowns would probably be Sweden. Although Canadian sivlersmiths did sometimes mark their wares with provincial initials, they usually included a town initial(s) as well (HXNS for Halifax, Nova Scotia). I have checked both Wyler and Tardy. The only outward-looking crowned heads I could fine were for late 17th to early 18th century Sweden, too early for your sppon, judging by the industrial era precision of the stamps. In Germany it was sometimes permissable for an established retailer of good reputation to stamp a piece with his name instead of the usual hallmarking, but he usually had to include the silver purity (e.g., 800). Tom PS I missed FWG's post, which makes this one a bit redundant. Oh well, at least the info may be of some help. [This message has been edited by tmockait (edited 03-05-2006).] IP: Logged
arthur Posts: 43 Registered: Mar 2005	posted 03-05-2006 05:52 PM I have seen the sweden 3 crown face mark and the face that is on my ladle is the same but with only 1 crown and in a circle thanks again everyone IP: Logged
MBJ Posts: 26 Registered: Oct 2008	posted 10-24-2008 07:04 PM As a new member of this forum it is always with interest I read the posts especially the posts concerning Swedish silver. It is correct that the ladle is from the "firm Ludvig Axelson (probably Jr rather than Sr) in Stockholm, c.1896-1912. The set of marks is not incomplete because it is not 830/1000 silver it is "NS" Ny(New)Silver(Nickel Silver or EPNS). The crowned head is St Erik* the patron saint of Stockholm- our capital. And the St Erik-mark is commonly used on silver items as a town mark,as well as on nickel silver; NS. /Best regards MBJ ______ A man called Erik Jedvardsson was elected King in Sweden in 1150. Legend describes King Erik as a great leader, fair legislator and committed Christian. In 1160, the Danes beheaded Erik in Uppsala north of Stockholm, after an Ascension Day Mass. According to the legend of St Erik a miracle appeared by the grave site of King Erik in the form of a spring – the St Erik Spring. The spring still flows by the north wall of Uppsala Cathedral. It was said that the waters cured the ill and that the blind regained sight. Erik was never canonized as a saint in Nordic churches though worshiped as a saint. At the end of the twelfth century, the Swedes chose Erik to be their patron saint and in time he became Stockholm’s special protector. St Erik appeared on the Stockholm seal for the first time in 1376, and remains on the City’s coat of arms to this day. IP: Logged
MBJ Posts: 26 Registered: Oct 2008	posted 10-24-2008 07:36 PM I can add that you should always be aware of the Swedish abbreviations of nickelsilver or electroplated, especially if you are buying on Ebay or on the Swedish Tradera site. Here are some examples: - EX PNS ALP (Extra Prima ie. 1st class Nysilver ALPACCA) - 1ma NS (Prima Nysilver or nysilfver (old spelling -1906)) - EPNS - NS IP: Logged
rian Posts: 169 Registered: Jan 2006	posted 10-25-2008 07:13 AM Thank you for your interesting and informative posts especially the story of Erik Jedvardsson. Please don't laugh, but I am stunned to realize how little northern European history I know. IP: Logged
silverhunter Posts: 704 Registered: Jul 2007	posted 10-26-2008 07:55 AM The pattern of the bowl is like the same of a Norwegian punch ladle made around 1870, the bowl I have is marked with two stamps in the low end of the twisted stele and at the top end is placed a silver ball. Because it's has the 13 1/3 lot indication it is a piece before 1880. But my question is in the first place did Sverige also had this turned stele decoration used until a certain period and are these ladles made with a flat stele (handle) so to have a better grip or the reason good be for to make a easier design to produce. Your punch ladle is a nice one, by the way! Because I still don't have silver books about Norwegian silver do you know perhaps the two letter stamp TO, because I wonder if it is a family silversmith of Theodor Olsens from Bergen, Norway? IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 12-31-2008 08:35 AM quote: Originally posted by silverhunter: The pattern of the bowl is like the same of a Norwegian punchladl made around 1870, the bowl I have is marked with two stamps in the low end of the twisted stele and at the topend is placed a silver ball. Because it's has the 13 1/3 lot indication it is a piece before 1880. Because I still don't have silverbooks about Norwegian silver do you know perhaps the two letter stamp TO, because I wonder if it is a family silversmith of Theodor Olsens from Bergen, Norway? Try to post a picture I shall see in my Norwegian books. IP: Logged
silverhunter Posts: 704 Registered: Jul 2007	posted 12-31-2008 01:12 PM I will send a photo next year now I have to close down, still about 4 hours to go. 2009. So I will react so soon as possible. Thanks a lot for your reaction! IP: Logged

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