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mitko07 Posts: 48 |
posted 11-24-2008 01:42 PM
  
[26-1751] hello everybody! Is there anyone who knows the pattern name of this Christofle tea spoon? It looks similar to Vendome and Marly patterns but it is not. I appreciate all the answers and especially from people familiar with Christofle products! All best! here is how it looks: IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 11-28-2008 02:42 PM
I'm sorry I don't recognize the pattern at once, but keep on trying. I have no books of the Christofle patterns but it's a nice pattern and untill now I haven't seen it. But Christofle made a large number of different patterns.Succes! IP: Logged |
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Kayvee Posts: 204 |
posted 11-28-2008 05:44 PM
Could we see a picture of the maker's mark please? This would help to date the spoon. This neo-rococo pattern is in the Louis XV style. A late nineteenth century Christofle company catalogue could give you the pattern name. As I'm sure you are aware, this pattern is no longer in production. IP: Logged |
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mitko07 Posts: 48 |
posted 11-30-2008 08:33 AM
Hello Silverhunter,Kayvee and everybody in this forum. First thanks for you reply! I also haven't seen this pattern before - I have seen tens of Christofle patterns but not this one. I recently bought this wonderful set of 6 tea spoons but there is one thing that bothers me. Look in the posted pictures - there is one spoon with different marking than the rest five.#1 mark is not the same with # 2,3,4,5,6 which marks look little bit worn but are the same.I am wondering if it is a replacement spoon for this set or those two markings date prom the same period.the thing is that the whole set looks in same condition and this make me believe that all 6 pieces belong together from the time they were produced( take a look at the second picture of the set- the spoon on the left is the one with different mark). And yes I am sure this pattern is not longer produced.And yes Kayvee I agree with you - the pattern looks to be in the Louis XV style and very similar to Christofle Marly pattern. I hope someone here has late nineteenth century Cristofle catalogue that contains this pattern name.here I post some more detailed pictures of the markings! All best to you! IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 11-30-2008 10:57 AM
I don't know if you have tried the search function about Christofle but it helped me a lot. There are a lot of topics about marks explanation etc. Perhaps if you want to order two books of Christofle, I've only found the names of the books and don't know any prices. IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 11-30-2008 02:01 PM
Hello mitko07! Welcome to the Forum. This may be a simplistic answer but have you tried contacting Christofle directly? Perhaps it could have been a special order. Jersey IP: Logged |
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mitko07 Posts: 48 |
posted 11-30-2008 04:07 PM
Hello Silverhunter, Jersey and everybody in this forum! Well I actually made my usual search in internet looking for similar pattern with no result.I have seen probably hundreds of spoons but I couldn't find this one. Anyway I just believe that somehow I may get lucky and find it. Actualy I could order the catalogues that Silverhunter just showed to us here at the central library .I am sure they can find them and borrow them to me for couple of days. It will probabaly take a couple of months utill they get them from an0other sister library. I just thought it will be easier... Yes I was thinking about contacting Christofle directly , but the thing that stopped me untill now is that I am not sure if they keep records of all this and even so , if they are willing to share. If they have something like museum customer service  Thanks for your time and attention! All best! IP: Logged |
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Kayvee Posts: 204 |
posted 11-30-2008 06:00 PM
The marks are so worn that it is difficult for me to tell if your spoons are from the 1844-1862 period or the 1862-1935 period. My best guess is 1862-1935. I do not believe that they were a special order as the neo-rococo style was very popular for flatware manufactured in the last half of the nineteenth century. In my opinion the pattern is definitely in the Louis XV style and does not resemble Marly which is a more sober, neo-classical pattern in the Louis XVI style. If you are really determined to discover the name of this pattern, and as you handle a lot of Christofle, you might consider purchasing or borrowing a reproduction Christofle catalogue such as silverhunter found. The Christofle museum closed in November 2008, so I doubt if there is anyone available now to answer questions about patterns that are no longer in production. Good luck! IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 12-02-2008 12:58 PM
I hope if the SMP Forum will put some pressure at the Museum in Paris. They have to give all information free and also have to open their doors immediately. How dare they close the museum? I believe some other member who send a question to the Christofle department didn't got any answer. But you can give it a try ofcourse. E-mail with photo sometimes help. Once I send a e-mail to a unknown antiquair shop in Norway in Tønsberg for to get information about a Norwegian pattern, the owner sended the name and more information. So perhaps if Christofel not react it's a second opinion to send a e-mail to a well known antique shop in Paris. Meanwhile I take a glass of red french wine and think already it's Christmas. Some idiots overhere already started with christmas decoration and lights. The neighbourhoud is slowly changing into a multi pinball machine, but staying with the forum there are also silver ball decorations, just beautiful! IP: Logged |
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mitko07 Posts: 48 |
posted 12-04-2008 11:21 AM
Hello Kayvee, Silverhunter and averybody!Thank you very much for your help and efforts! I can not tell for sure what is the period because of the worn markings, but they are neither one of these two that I found in this website: A Chronology of Christofle Marks Which are from 1844-1862 period and 1862-1935 period. The thing that make me sure about this is that the best stamp that I have here I can see that there is something like a fly under the scales and the branches on the bottom are much thicker than these two on he website! The rest of the stamps look much like a stamp that I found in another web page which claims that the stamp is from year 1875: Anyway, I think Kayvee is absolutely right that they are made between 1862-1935 but I will keep looking. I will probably send some photos to Christofle too , but I believe it will take some time before I get answer. And If I don't, I will probably find the catalogue later on. And yes Silverhunter I also think that is is a shame they shut down the Christofle museum - it could be because of the financial crisis All the best for you guys and have a Merry Christmas! IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 12-04-2008 02:40 PM
Also thanks Mitko07, one thing what you can do is visit At the website above(headline) you can choose third column of the right side.(named:articles on silver). Click and you get above at the left side the column:Silversmiths&Jewelers. Christofle is mentioned as first one. Good information and marks showned. Succes again and also Happy Christmas to you. IP: Logged |
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mitko07 Posts: 48 |
posted 12-04-2008 05:17 PM
Thank you Silverhunter, but as you can see the link I posted above is leading just there  Also, it could be stupid, but I was wondering if there are any known fake Christofle items made simultaneosly. Who knows? Thanks and all best to you! IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 12-04-2008 05:23 PM
There are many roads which lead to Rome, many people use(d) the same. Sorry I wonder when my information is usefull? to someone? In the world?etc. IP: Logged |
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mitko07 Posts: 48 |
posted 12-04-2008 05:37 PM
Yes you are right about that Silverhunter! Plus, you have nice sense of humour. I will kepp in touch for any updates on these spoons! All the best to you ! IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 12-08-2008 04:28 AM
It's not the same decoration but the pattern/shape is also used by a famous silver factory in Holland, the pattern style is only described as with the name "classic". But you see in Holland we also makes copies! Sorry for the bad quality! IP: Logged |
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