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bluz4allah

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iconnumber posted 11-14-2011 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluz4allah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I bought this piece from a dealer who said it was 19th century Persian. I doubted either statement was true but I love niello and Kubachi so I bought it.

The only mark is an 800 silver stamp on the inside. I know this type of niello work is popular in the Caucasian region but it looks too primitive to be from Daghestan.

I am wondering if it is Georgian?

I know it does not have Russian silver markings but I have heard that jewelry from various parts of the Caucasius region was marked rather haphazardly.

Any help identifying this lovely little bracelet would be greatly appreciated.



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Michele Rabushka Lysik

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 11-15-2011 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Michele.

Welcome to the silver forum. I think people are waiting a bit before responding to your question. If you read through the material laid out in the yellow box near the top of the page on how the forum works I think you will see that new members are warmly welcomed but that first we ask to please introduce yourselve just a bit, letting folks here know of your interest in silver in general (collector, dealer, investor, etc.) and the reason you are asking your particular question about your bracelet. Are you planning to sell it, are you a bracelet collector, etc. We are unlike most forums and we are small. Think of this as stepping into our hosts Scott and June's living room and introducing yourself before diving in to ask about something. It does not have to be a long story, just a couple of sentences.

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bluz4allah

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iconnumber posted 11-15-2011 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluz4allah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Kimo and thank you. I am sorry, I did read the yellow box and the guidelines and I forgot to introduce myself. And, I did read other posts that people made about similar jewelry. My name is Michele Rabushka Lysik, I am 47 years old from CT with an educational background in government and economics - not silver! I work as an underwriter for a large national insurance company (risk analysis). I am not planning to sell this bracelet; I plan to keep it for myself because I am a greedy pig about certain types of metal work! I love Caucasian traditional silver work especially Kubachi from Dagestan, although I cannot afford it. I like niello but I do not collect Thai silver. I collect Russian silver and would like to buy Caucasian pieces. And, as a part-time job I sell ethnic jewelry and textiles from Afghanistan, Africa, and Israel, and Russian fur hats. I specialize in Afghan jewelry since 1982. Thank you for reminding me of my bad manners!

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iconnumber posted 11-16-2011 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Michele and welcome! It is very nice to have you join our little group.

I am not an expert on niello, though I see it commonly made in a great many countries including the ones you mention and also places like Japan, India, Spain, and other places. Sometimes it can be hard to place. There are some folks here who are quite knowledgable and hopefully one of them will come along before too long and share what they might know. Be patient since many members only stop by infrequently.

I am not able to read the inscription in the reserve on the center of the bracelet as I do not speak Farsi or Urdu or whichever of the many languages of that part of the world it may be. Did the dealer tell you what she or he thought it says, or even what language it might be?

I like the overall effect of the bracelet even though as you mention it seems to be of a somewhat less refined manufacture. Overall it works and is pleasing to the eye so I understand your plan to keep it and wear it often.

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iconnumber posted 11-17-2011 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluz4allah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am extremely grateful to Scott & June for freely sharing their knowledge of precious metals with us. I just ordered their silver book for appraisers, collectors and dealers.

The inscription is Arabic and it is upside down. I did not take the photo it is from the dealer. I believe it raeds "Allahu-akbar" or "God is great". Teh dealer told me it was persian and I know for a afct that it isn't because persian hallmarks are differetn and they are not known for niello. It is a bit primitive but I like it.

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