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Scott Martin
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unknown to me ...any ideas?

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The lion looks Chinese export. Otherwise regional British Isles? No duty mark. May also be early Canadian?

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iconnumber posted 03-03-2018 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the possibilities.

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My vote would be Chinese Export as well.

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2018 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know next to nothing about Chinese Export, so your input is greatly appreciated.

Than you.

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2018 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I,m going to move this thread to the Continental / International Silver Forum.

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Might give this a look: http://hallmarkwiki.com/?country=Canada

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Are you referring to:
quote:

Imitation of english marks
more information »
Imitation of english marks: Lion or lion head silver hallmark

Silver Hallmark: Imitation of english marks: Lion or lion head
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Gaspare

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iconnumber posted 03-14-2018 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gaspare     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do they generally look that bad? Its almost unrecognizable. It looks like a horrible cast mess...,G.

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iconnumber posted 03-15-2018 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott: Yes, I was referring to those marks and I think a set of 2 marks was shown too? It verifies for me that the shield mark on your piece is a leopards head.

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I appreciate the lead.

That web site is a wiki so it means its crowd source info. Often the well intentioned crowd source info found online can be regurgitated mis-info and wrong.

Are you aware of a second more authoritative source (i.e., book/journal)?

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iconnumber posted 03-16-2018 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's this, but I haven't seen it: https://www.amazon.com/Guide-marks-Canadian-silver-centuries/dp/0770002447

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iconnumber posted 03-16-2018 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm pretty sure we have a copy....Now where did we put it?

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Maybe I'm missing something here..

Aren't the maker/hallmarks stamped in the spoon either mechanically or by hand but stamped in one way or another..

Both of these are malformed, mushy detail etc. so bad you can't even really recognize them..

Were these spoons cast with the marks cast in them?

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Gaspare: I believe some provincial smiths made their own punches which do not have the sharpness of an official guildhall punch.

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iconnumber posted 03-20-2018 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gaspare     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for that. Yes local stamps sometimes can be on the simple side..

It is just my opinion - The rectangle mark was molten at one time. There is like a pull of wax across the top. The bottom that has what looks like liquid [wax?].
The other mark has a burn pit in its corner [black mark] from a foreign spec maybe in the mold. A simple stamp is one thing but this is totally unrecognizable...

Are these something of value? I guess now days everything is. IF they copy simple $25. items they'll copy anything...
Mr. Martin, what is your opinion on these marks? and please, anyone else...

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iconnumber posted 03-20-2018 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please call me Scott.

I'm still on the fence and am not sure.

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iconnumber posted 03-20-2018 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some thoughts:
  • I'm unsure how this was made. It could have been a dye, cast, hand forged or.... it was well finished. Which means a lot of careful handwork.
  • The mono looks like it was done by a skilled hand.
  • The bowl could have been formed by a swag drop.
  • The drop on the bowl's back doesn't look right but its not wrong.
  • I'd like to do Xray FS but this is too expensive.....I suspect a low silver content because it seems a little stiff.
  • etc. etc. etc.

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Scott.. Well They don't look hand forged. IF they are authentic they'd be from a die.

I don't know value of such things. But everything is copied.
These really look cast by the way the hallmarks are. Molten, waxy, no detail whatsoever..
I guess best way to make a determination is to make a comparison with a good known piece.. Anyone out there have anything with these hallmarks or the same series spoons?
Then again this will be hard because they are not really IDed by the way the first post reads!.. A tough one for sure..

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