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GaryX Posts: 10 Registered: Sep 2012	posted 09-26-2012 05:33 AM [26-2330] Hello, I am a pipe smoker and find some old pipe in Germany, there is a ring on it, seems silver and have clear hallmark. Could anyone date this hallmark? Many Thanks! IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 09-26-2012 10:31 AM Garyx, We see you are located in China. We don't get much traffic from China except for Spammers and Robots . Besides trying to determine a possible date what is your interest in silver? Do you also collect/sell Chinese Silver? IP: Logged
GaryX Posts: 10 Registered: Sep 2012	posted 09-26-2012 01:26 PM quote: Originally posted by Scott Martin: Garyx, We see you are located in China. We don't get much traffic from China except for Spammers and Robots . Besides trying to determine a possible date what is your interest in silver? Do you also collect/sell Chinese Silver? Hi, Scott, Thanks a lot for the reply.I am sorry for the oversize picture and have changed it. Yes, I am from Beijing, China. A city full of spams and robots. I am not a silver collector but a pipe collector. Since many vintage pipes in my hand have hallmarks on them, I want to figure out the exact year of them and google bring me here. Your place looks great! Wish I can learn more sliver knowledge here. Many Thanks. IP: Logged
Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 Registered: Apr 93	posted 09-26-2012 05:13 PM I don't recognize the marks. Perhaps someone else will. Sometimes it can take a while for someone to come up with an answer. I hope it will be sooner than later. Here is another look at the marks: IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 09-27-2012 01:49 PM Have no idea of mark. But I am absolutely sure that it is upside down and should be seen like this. IP: Logged
GaryX Posts: 10 Registered: Sep 2012	posted 09-27-2012 02:00 PM Thanks, Could you tell me what are these three letters? They seem upside down with SLV, this is weird... IP: Logged
jersey Posts: 1203 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 09-27-2012 04:53 PM Hello & welcome Gary! Are there any other marks or inscriptions regarding a makers name on the pipe aside from the silver ring band? Thank you, Jersey IP: Logged
Kimo Posts: 1627 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 09-27-2012 05:19 PM Other than the SLV, the second set of marks do not appear to me to be letters or any other standard kinds of hallmarks. My first thought is they could be pseudo-marks used by a company that wants to suggest that these are silver hallmarks and market the pipe for a higher price because of them. Gary, is it possible that this pipe was made in China or some other country nearby where the potential buyers may not be familiar with English markings and who might see these markings as looking like hallmarks? [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 09-27-2012).] IP: Logged
GaryX Posts: 10 Registered: Sep 2012	posted 09-27-2012 09:12 PM Hi Jersey, Nice to meet you! There is no other mark on ring but there is a mark of "Bryuere Garantie" on pipe. Gary IP: Logged
GaryX Posts: 10 Registered: Sep 2012	posted 09-27-2012 09:33 PM Hi Kimo, I bought this pipe from a friend in Germany, he told me it should be produced during 1920's-1940's, maybe in St. Claude, France. There are some other articles support this theory e.g. Old Wood – New Pipe March 31, 2009 I don't think it was made in China although we are very good at this >______< lol. Wish the background upside will help some, Many Thanks! Gary IP: Logged
GaryX Posts: 10 Registered: Sep 2012	posted 09-28-2012 12:53 PM And here is another hallmark in same batch. Vauen is a famous pipe brand of Germany and still running well now. IP: Logged
jersey Posts: 1203 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 09-28-2012 07:34 PM Hi again Gary! Nice to meet you too. Can we have a photo of the whole pipe please. Also, forget the SLV, I am having a hard time figuring out what the 3 hallmarks are. The second one in particular. Thank you Jersey IP: Logged
GaryX Posts: 10 Registered: Sep 2012	posted 09-28-2012 09:32 PM Hi, Jersey, I post more to see if it can help, pipe 1: pipe2: Thank you! IP: Logged
Kimo Posts: 1627 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 09-29-2012 10:58 AM quote: Originally posted by GaryX: Hi Kimo, I bought this pipe from a friend in Germany, he told me it should be produced during 1920's-1940's, maybe in St. Claude, France. There are some other articles support this theory e.g. The markings are not French. They could be Hanau pseudomarks, though I do not recognize them. The reason I suggest this possibility is you say the pipe came from someone in Germany. There were many factories in the Hanau region that created fantasy markings on their wares that resemble old style hallmarks. There was a very large industry there doing this and there are few records of all of the markings they invented and put on the large volume of wares they produced. IP: Logged
GaryX Posts: 10 Registered: Sep 2012	posted 09-29-2012 01:02 PM quote: Originally posted by Kimo: The markings are not French. They could be Hanau pseudomarks, though I do not recognize them. The reason I suggest this possibility is you say the pipe came from someone in Germany. There were many factories in the Hanau region that created fantasy markings on their wares that resemble old style hallmarks. There was a very large industry there doing this and there are few records of all of the markings they invented and put on the large volume of wares they produced. Thank you, Kimo, The pseudomarks phenomena is very interesting and I have found some related information on the internet. But according to my knowledge, Vauen is a famous manufacturer in Germany. It is not necessary for them to make pseudomarks on their own pipe. That will not bring additional value for their brand and reputation. Gary IP: Logged
Kimo Posts: 1627 Registered: Mar 2003	posted 09-29-2012 09:46 PM Did they make the metal band or might they have purchased it from another company? These are not official German hallmarks. The Hanau makers in Germany flaunted the hallmark laws and made up markings that were intended to have potential buyers think they were the old style German hallmarks. IP: Logged
GaryX Posts: 10 Registered: Sep 2012	posted 09-30-2012 12:17 AM Hi, Kimo, I will send these photos to Vauen official service mail to see if they can give answer. Thanks! Gary IP: Logged
agleopar Posts: 850 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 10-03-2012 07:07 PM Just a thought, this might be silver plate and the strange letters are old style black lettering or gothic letters (WHE for example...) representing the maker and the S, LV could be the model? LV for a roman numeral 55 and the S for some other designation? This is just a theory but they do not look like hall marks. IP: Logged
GaryX Posts: 10 Registered: Sep 2012	posted 10-05-2012 07:40 AM Finally Vauen feedback as below: quote: Dear Gary, Thank you very much for your email. Following please find some information about the pipe: Unfortunately it is not possible to find out the exact year when this pipe has been manufactured because many of our catalogues and documents have been destroyed during the WW2. But we have found a catalogue from 1926 and this pipe is already in there; the price was 12,75 Reichsmark. Because of its model number 1018 and its stamp we can says that it must be made from a special briar wood quality. That is all we were able to find out – but we hope this will help you! Best regards, VAUEN Vereinigte Pfeifenfabriken Nuernberg GmbH Landgrabenstrasse 12 90443 Nuernberg-Germany Fon +49-(0)9 11-42 43 68-0 Fax +49-(0)9 11-41 21 01 email : info@vauen.de, info@pipoo.de www.vauen.de, www.pipoo.de Nuerrnberg HRB 7693 Managing Partner: Alexander Eckert VAUEN PIPE MANUFACTURE. MASTERPIECES SINCE 1848. Hi, agleopar, Thanks for the theory of plated silver, it is possible! IP: Logged

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