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Author Topic:   Marks: JK; hilted dagger on shield; & "P";the lion; &"Q". Who & Where?
PEMechling

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iconnumber posted 06-14-2003 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PEMechling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a family item bot about 70 yrs. ago from an wealthy family estate.

Looks like a snuff box & is sterling. l-l/2"tall & wide with detailed repousee overall.

An oval shape w/indentations,w/dainty but strong long hinge for top, which shows milkmaid w/somewhat bony cow. Men in 18th cent. costume are drinking on shaped sides w/intricate tree & building detail; voluptuous woman reclines & Nubian servant stands by on one shaped side; etc.

The lid edge has horizontal incised lines & is marked "F"; the lion faces left; "Q".
The bottom is plain,w/marks all in box,"JK",two dots there, & over a plain helmet profile.
On bottom also, all in a shield shape; large antique key above a rampant griffon,over a "1".

Here we go - now on the inside upper edge: in line, lion passant face left (lozenge);"Q"(shield); "F"(oval); the famous leopard face -no crown(shield) Is this beginning to sound like a college text exam? This charming little piece has ten marks. And I don't know what any of them signifies.

Would you experts know?

Today, the 21st, I just discovered that this may be a thimble box (for a nice sterling thimble of course); from Daniel Low Silver catalog of 1901. A sample is also marked "JK"
so there was a company/designer then. Library books have not revealed this mark, or name, so I still don't know the maker.

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labarbedor

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iconnumber posted 06-14-2003 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for labarbedor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You probably have a piece of Chester silver, but without photos you don't make it easy. Could you borrow a camera?

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PEMechling

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iconnumber posted 06-14-2003 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PEMechling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by labarbedor:
You probably have a piece of Chester silver, but without photos you don't make it easy. Could you borrow a camera?

Oh boy, that's a challenge-but I've got all the equipment to do it. So I'll try to keep those pixels way down. Meanwhile, I looked again at what I thought (dumb) was a blotch but turns out to be a mark with a gorgeous face,profile,in a helmet w/an "M" marked. O.K. I know pictures are in order. Pls. wait.
for me. I NEED TO MAKE A CORRECTION: Mark "P" is incorrect; mark is "F" - I borrowed a loupe

[This message has been edited by PEMechling (edited 06-14-2003).]

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labarbedor

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iconnumber posted 06-16-2003 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for labarbedor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think if you look your lion is facing right not left. If so it is Dutch.
Maurice

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PEMechling

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iconnumber posted 06-16-2003 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PEMechling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both rampant lions face left: I did learn that this figure denotes sterling silver, in the english market. The rampant griffon seems to face left also. That total mark is very interesting. In your research, have you learned why there are so many marks on this little piece. Did the silversmith who made the shape put marks on? Then, the silversmith who did the repouse'e put his marks on? Do silver artists put marks on when the ownership of a piece changes hands? Those are my theories, but I don't know really....

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 06-17-2003 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have to agree with Maurice that the marks sound Dutch, if so, the key is an export mark, the head is probably an assay mark. Please try and post pictures.

Victorian era Dutch silversmiths were notorious for using all sorts of extraneous and pseudo marks to make a piece seem older than its true age. I have a Dutch apostle spoon with four or five virtually meaningless marks, and British import marks from somewhere in the 1890s (sorry, can't seem to locate the piece, for photos or exact date. Seems to me that I read somewhere that these pseudo-marks have been documented, but who knows where???

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