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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 11-19-2003 03:33 PM
  
 I recently obtained this pair of spoons from a friend of mine, simply because of the unusual marks. The spoons themselves are rather nondescript fiddle-pattern. The "basket of flowers" resembles that used in some of the Scottish provincial centers, but I have never seen a mark with this kind of "window" border. The spoons have highly arched handles, which I have noted in similar Scottish spoons. I am leaning towards a Scottish provincial origin, but have no proof either way. I would be grateful for any suggestions or further ideas. Thanks! Brent IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 11-19-2003 05:18 PM
An interesting mark. One more for the books - you keep coming up with the hard ones! There was a two-handled urn (but not a vase) with 3 flowers used in Dundee, but always in a separate punch. Perhaps that is what you are thinking of. There is no silversmith in the Dundee list with these initials for this period. Ian Finlay does not record this mark (or any other with two marks in one punch)in his Scottish chapter in Jackson III, and his book on Scottish silverwork includes no marks whatsoever. I did not find it in any of my 4 Canadian books, either, or in Mayne (Channel Islands). I have no doubt that these are British provincial in origin, but where in the world I have no idea. Perhaps a researcher or someone else with the right books can help. IP: Logged |
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 03-08-2008 09:38 AM
Here is an oldie but goodie from the past. Given that we have added a lot of members since 2003, does anyone have an idea about this mark? Brent IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 03-08-2008 10:15 AM
In view of Dundee's coat of arms, that town might be worth consideration. Although this may be well known to many, from what I read, provincial silversmiths commonly adopted their burgh's coat of arms as a town mark..... Once again, I should have read the previous replies closer, but still the scant number of flowers in the bowl on these spoons is in line with the Dundee coat of arms..... Shame on me though! [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 03-08-2008).] IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 03-08-2008 10:55 AM
Brent there is a small chance that the IC is over struck onto a larger mark that had initials and the flowers. I am making this guess because the 2 marks are different and the one on the left has the IC in a different plane canted down to the right and the flowers leaning toward the left. To me this means that 2 punches were used. If this is true then it might make things easier... or not! [This message has been edited by agleopar (edited 03-08-2008).] IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 03-08-2008 01:57 PM
There is also an early 19th century Abroath mark that looks like it has potential. I think I'm alone on this one? IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 03-08-2008 07:51 PM
I see where the Dundee mark is called a pot of lillies. IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 01-13-2009 06:40 PM
I have recently received the catalogue for the sale of a private collection of Scottish provincial silver. In it a fiddle pattern toddy ladle of c.1820-1830 with precisely the same marks as your spoons is recorded as by an unidentified Dundee maker. IP: Logged |
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