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Rick unregistered |
posted 09-15-2000 04:46 PM
 
This hallmark is on the bottom of an oval silver colored box; the side and top have "cherubs" embossed on it. The hallmark has two Pasant lions with the letter "S" between them. Can anyone identify this? IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 10-21-2003 07:47 PM
Dredged up from the archives - time to try this one again. Anybody? IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 10-21-2003 08:35 PM
I am not suggesting this is the answer, however it is an example of how wide the search may be: The identification of these marks is at: [gone from the internet - spencermarks.com/html/h641.html] IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 10-22-2003 07:44 AM
possibly also English provincial? Is it a snuff box, freedom box? IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 10-22-2003 07:26 PM
I have searched the Provincial tables without success, and what few Colonial references I have. What struck me first about these marks was that the lion punches look too good to be pseudohallmarks - they look perfectly genuine. If this were a small object made during the period when such items were incompletely marked, there could be only the date and standard marks present, but there should be only one standard mark. It could be a provincial or colonial piece, but close examination of the date letter reveals a diagonal bar across the middle of the "S," an obscure but diagnostic form of the Roman letter used only once by the London assay office in the year 1793/4, which is within the time frame for incompletely marked small objects. Why there should be two strikes of the standard mark I do not know - possibly it was struck in error in place of the duty mark -- such mistakes are known to have been made. Double duty marks are known from some of the other assay offices, but I can find no reference to intentional use of double standard marks. Pending a more positive identification to the contrary, I think we can tentatively assign this to London, 1793/4. [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 10-22-2003).] IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 12-13-2003 04:18 PM
Here is an enlargement of the mark in the photo. Notice the bar across the middle of the S, used only in the cycle that includes 1793.: IP: Logged |
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clive e.taylor unregistered |
posted 12-14-2003 02:38 PM
Difficult to tell from the photos ( and probably on the real thing ) but it looks to me as if the Lion Passant is a actual Lion Passant (i.e. the head is looking to the left ) rather than the Lion Passant Guardant (head looking towards the viewer ..so that both eyes visible. This would date it, if London, to 1822 onward. There is no duty mark (the Sovereigns Head ) which is also odd . The bottom edge of the punch does not have the usual dimple point either. The London "S" for 1793/4 incidentaly was incidentally an error by Mr John Pingo, the engraver to the Goldsmiths Company since 1776. For some reason he forgot he was working in lower case and supplied over two hundred upper case "S"'s. The Company insisted that the bar be inserted to distinguish these punches from any subsequent upper case "S" (Forbes , page 231) So we have a total anomaly here . My guess is colonial psuedo marks as nothing else makes sense IP: Logged |
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feniangirl Posts: 36 |
posted 12-17-2003 04:34 AM
I would definitely agree with Clive. This is not an English piece. Note the picture. The bottom appears crude and looks much more like either coin silver or pewter. Has it been tested as to silver content? IP: Logged |
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