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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 04-19-2004 08:59 PM
  
I found this fork at the weekend. Is it Scottish? From where? And by whom? The V and B flanking the thistle and date letter look strange to me - I know little about Scottish silver, but usually I see the maker's initials in one single stamp.
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 04-28-2004 10:35 AM
It has been suggested to me that this may be a Colonial item made by a silversmith of Scottish origin, circa 1820-30. Anyon here have any ideas on this possibility? Thanks, Patrick IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 04-28-2004 12:05 PM
I am afraid I can't be of any help on this one. I am certain it is not Scottish, but the thistle certainly implies a Scottish connection, and certainly it is of 19th Century vintage. It could be colonial, but I do not have the requisite literature - possibly the M is for Malta? IP: Logged |
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bia6660 Posts: 6 |
posted 04-28-2004 04:31 PM
i think it is possibly scottish, go to this link and scroll down to scotland, you will see a hallmark that contains a thistle LULUxx IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 04-29-2004 09:47 AM
Many thanks both to Swarter and Lulu for your input. I am sure that Swarter is right. Certainly this piece looks Scottish - the thistle mark should be the sterling standard mark for Edinburgh, but in that case the letter M would be for the year. The capital Roman "M" comes closest to the cycle including 1792 or including 1917. The first date is too early for the style, and the second almost certainly too late. And additionally, the outline of the stamp, the cartouche, doesn't match exactly. Also the marks if Edinburgh are incomplete. The town mark, a castle with three turrets, is missing, although it does not always appear on smaller pieces such as this. Even so, one would certainly expect to find the duty mark (profile of Queen Victoria's head etc) if marked before 1890. Another point is the letters V and B. Presumably these are the maker's initials. However, their form is not typical and furthermore, I understand, they are not recorded either for Edinburgh or anywhere else in Scotland. Swarter, what other points have I missed? IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 04-29-2004 01:36 PM
I think you've pretty much got it. An incompletely marked small Edinborough piece would have the thistle standard mark alone plus a maker's mark if before the inception of the duty mark, or the thistle and soverign's head afterwards, but this fork is large enough to have been fully marked anyway. Some Scottish provincial centers used the first letter of the town name, which looks like a date mark; the only listed center beginning with an M is Montrose, and their town symbol was a rose, a partial rebus for the name. I have not seen a mark of M attributed to that center, but it is always possible that someone might have used one. IP: Logged |
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