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nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 06-23-2004 09:47 PM
  
I have generally limited myself to collecting flatware, as it is usually cheaper by the ounce, and harder to squash! So I don't have much feeling for holloware. That said, I just got a "helmet" style cream pitcher, marked London, 1787, maker "CH", likely Charles Hougham (mark entered 1785 per Wyler). It is just over 5" (13 cm) tall, and seems lightly constructed, weighing in at about 2 troy ounces. Here's the pic: My question is as follows. The piece seems to be a bit crudely made. Though the base is smooth, the upper part evidences a hammered surface, not properly planished. This is just observable in the poor pic above (really a scan). Also, the "beads" in the lip were made by simply punching up from below, and they are rather uneven in both size and spacing. Were these irregularities intentional, intended to give the piece a "rustic" look, or was this just a slap-dash made creamer? IP: Logged |
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nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 06-28-2004 08:48 PM
No takers? The piece may not be quite as "hammered" as it appears, as it is tarnished, and the tarnish has worn off the high points, emphasizing the pockmarks. But still, it is not entirely smooth, and the bead work is definitely irregular. Intentional or somewhat inept? IP: Logged |
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t-man-nc Posts: 327 |
posted 06-28-2004 11:08 PM
Could the embelishments have been added later by the owner to enhanse the looks....????
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 06-29-2004 09:27 AM
I don't think your creamer is particularly unusual. The punched bead border was a failry standard decoration style for creamers of this type; it actually shows up a lot on contemporary American creamers. I think is was simply a cheaper alternative to an applied molding. The presence of visible hammer marks on the exterior is a little disturbing; a piece should have been planished sufficiently when made, no matter how inexpensive. Could it have been repaired at some point? Anyway, I think your creamer IS indeed just a bit slapdash. Customers could pay as much or as little as they wanted for the fabrication of their silver, and I'm sure some didn't really care how good it looked, as long as it was silver and served its purpose. Brent IP: Logged |
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clive taylor unregistered |
posted 06-29-2004 03:41 PM
Charles Hougham, who I think was Jewish, had his first mark entered in 1769 as a smallworker and was listed as a bucklemaker in the Parliamentary Report of 1773. His next series of marks, nearly all a characteristic bold capital CH were as bucklemaker and only on the entry of a mark in 1785 did he describe himself as a plateworker. Most of his buckles are somewhat cruder than normal and fairly common, so I think he may have been at the lower end of the mass market. By 1785 the buckle ttade was in trouble and he probably diversified then to plate working, again at the lower end of the market. He still made buckles, but the 1791 bucklemakers petition to the Prince Regent was signed by his son, Solomon He died in 1793. His mark is often fomade und on tongs, both pirerced (cast and made in three pieces) and one piece ones , all of reasonable quality IP: Logged |
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nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 06-30-2004 10:25 AM
Thanks for the responses. I have since polished the creamer, and it is looking much better. But it still has a "hammered" look to it when viewed close up. Most likely a quickly made piece for the lower end market, but still a nice piece that has well survived nearly two and a quarter centuries. IP: Logged |
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