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Waylander Posts: 131 Registered: Sep 2004	posted 10-11-2004 06:15 AM Can anyone help me with the following marks? 1) SBROS - probably late 19th/early 20th century. Birmingham based. 2) H&P in a clover shield. Have been told it is probably 1741 (doubtful to me). No idea about the mark though. London maker. 3) IT (square shield). No town mark (probably London). A bit more common I know, has a "King" duty mark, but no date letter or town mark. Hard to determine without a photo, I understand. I will get a digital camera one of these days! Thanks in advance for everyone's time. Cheers Waylander IP: Logged
doc Posts: 730 Registered: Jul 2003	posted 10-11-2004 10:26 AM For (2), 1741 is a possibility if the clover shield is 4 leaf. Jackson lists two marks for Humphrey Payne, one for 1739, in which the bottom "leaf" of the clover has a star and the top has a shield-like shape. There is also another mark listed for 1748, in which the top and bottom figures are more like fleur de lis. IP: Logged
Waylander Posts: 131 Registered: Sep 2004	posted 10-11-2004 04:33 PM Yes, Humph. Payne would have been my cloest guess expect for the ampersand Thanks for your help Waylander IP: Logged
Silver Lyon Posts: 363 Registered: Oct 2004	posted 10-22-2004 11:52 AM You don't say what the pieces are. It really helps to know. 1) S Bros is either SYDENHAM Brothers of Birmingham - letters all the same size; OR SMITH Brothers of Birmingham - letters each under a semicircular arch and with similar underneath and rounded ends to the punch; OR SHELDON Brothers of Birmingham - S is larger than the other letters - post which you think it is and I will give you more details. 2) Need to know what the object is. 3) This sounds like a 'part mark' - used when a piece has more than one markable constituent - the full marks only appearing once, but the all important lion and duty (tax) mark appearing on separate sections. Whatis the piece? IP: Logged
Waylander Posts: 131 Registered: Sep 2004	posted 10-23-2004 02:22 AM Dear all 1) & 2) have been solved now; 1) is SYDENHAM Brothers of Birmingham (cheers to Silver Lyon 2) was Humphrey Payne Re 3) - Silver Lyon, it's actually a penknife, with a heavily sculptured body. The marks appear on the silver blade (which looks like it has been heavily used in it's time). I've looked at it extensively under my loupe, and the body of the knife is simply too ornate for a mark to be stamped (many flowers and plants in a scrolled design). Hope this helps Cheers Waylander IP: Logged
Silver Lyon Posts: 363 Registered: Oct 2004	posted 10-23-2004 03:48 PM Thank you. Your Pen-knife gives the clue and the answer is very frustrating!! It is almost certainly made in Sheffield c.1800 (These silver-bladed fruit knives were made so that the taste would not be impaired by the reaction of the fruit acids with a steel blade, and were very popular from c.1790-1910 for picnicks, travel etc.) The habit is Sheffield was to mark the piece of metal being used for the blade at both ends, to discourage fraud - so the remainder of your marks are hidden within the body of the knife!!! Could the maker's mark in fact be TL ? - This is Thomas Law, a very prolific maker - I can't think of an IT offhand! Hope this helps. IP: Logged
Waylander Posts: 131 Registered: Sep 2004	posted 10-23-2004 10:28 PM Silver Lyon Thanks for the reply. Very frustrating to know the answer is within my grasp, but not quite. Mark is definately IT, very clear - is the mark closest to the body of the knife, so have survived the best so far. Another mystery - with the use of I as an initial for James and John, there is certainly a large pool of potential suspects Cheers Waylander IP: Logged

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