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Scotia

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iconnumber posted 03-18-2005 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scotia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there,

Picked up this nice piece of Georgian Silver in New York. Had a look in some of my books and on Google but I do not know what it is for. It is by John Wakelin & William Taylor, London 1785. It is a plain piece adorned with a small wolf on the side opposite the handle, presumably a crest? It is quite heavy and stands 3" tall and is 5" in diameter. Do you know what it is called?

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iconnumber posted 03-18-2005 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd suggest looking at a skyphos or kylix, both archaic hellenistic drinking vessels, for the origins of this one. Yours was made at the end of a century which saw a great revival of interest in classical artifacts following excavations in Europe, particularly those at Pompei. They had gained the attention of architects and designers, and sparked the "classical revival". The simple appeal of the shape would have been understood well by some of the cultured clients of a firm like Wakelin & Taylor.

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iconnumber posted 03-25-2005 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scotia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again,

Thanks for the info. I have showed it to a couple of people and asked them what date they thought it was (without looking at the marks)and they guessed the 1890's and the 1930's. Even though neoclassical, it is a piece that was way ahead of its time, the design being very refined and elegant, lacking the fussy ornamentation of the Victorian era. I was wondering if anyone had more information on the makers, were they well known for this type of design and did they influence or take influence from the great designers of the late 18th century?

Also, was it likely to have been used for drinking or more of a decorative piece? I have been unable to find anything similar online.

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iconnumber posted 03-25-2005 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adelapt is right on; it inspired by a Greek or Roman design, and is very much of the period. Some neo-classical designs have more ornamentation, especially those inspired by Robert Adam, and can look "old". Others, like your piece, are very "chaste", and can look quite modern.

I'll bet it is a punch cup.

Brent

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iconnumber posted 03-27-2005 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For good information on this firm, though primarily up to about 1776, see Helen Clifford's excellent book "Silver in London",
published by Yale U. P. last year. It goes into the style of the company in its various manifestations, its suppliers and clientele.

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