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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 05-27-2005 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe this piece was made in Exeter by W.R. Sobey in 1838. What I am puzzled by is the crescent moon figure to the left of the hallmarks. Can anyone explain this mark? Also, any significance to the dragon on the front side of the sugar spoon where a monograph would normally be?

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 05-28-2005 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your crescent moon was on American silver of the same time period it would be the mark of one of the journeyman that worked for the company. I believe these marks were used for quality and quantity and control. I do not know if the English or Scots used a similar system for keeping track of the work of employees.
I have seen similar dragons, but do not know what they signify. I am not sure that a dragon would be suitable for a family crest.

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iconnumber posted 05-28-2005 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are a variety of mythical winged creatures frequently used on family crests, including Dragons, Griffons and Wyverns. This one appears to be either a Wyvern or a Cockatrix -- probably the latter, but I cannot make it out clearly enough to be sure.

The crescent mark is undoutedly a tally mark, as Art suggests.

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 05-28-2005 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swarter and AHWT,

Thanks for the information. I found a dragon Encyclopedia, and it is a Cockatrix. Amazing how many other fields you branch into collecting silver!

Tom

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 05-29-2005 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We attended the Tennessee Renaissance Festival yesterday with Jousting, magicians, minstrels, falcons and plenty of dragons and crystals. Even a simple seahorse swing appeared as a dragon so I am now sure that just about anything could meet the requirements of a family crest.

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 05-29-2005 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, almost anything can and has been used as a motif on a family crest or coat of arms. I thought this might be a pattern designation or identified with a particular family.

Thanks for the input,
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