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aceward Posts: 2 |
posted 05-14-2005 08:32 AM
  
Hi, hope someone out there can help. I've been trying to identify this makers mark for quite some time now, and have had no luck at all. Also I think the date mark is for 1897, but the pictures on the guides I've found are a little ambiguous and I can't quite make out the stamp shape. Many thanks, Alex. IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 05-14-2005 12:52 PM
I can't help you with the maker, but I am puzzled by the date. The Hallmark seems to be that for Exeter, but that Assay Office Closed in 1883. So either the date is not 1897 or something else is amiss. Tom IP: Logged |
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IJP Posts: 326 |
posted 05-14-2005 01:22 PM
Hey, Tom... I disagree. The assay mark is for Chester, I'm fairly certain. And the 1897 date letter for Chester is very similar to the one shown. As there is no other Chester date letter even close to it in shape and letter, I'd say that Alex is correct. IP: Logged |
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Silver Lyon Posts: 363 |
posted 05-14-2005 02:31 PM
What is the piece that the marks are struck upon? My guess is that it is a card case, cheroot case, vesta, pocket book or purse - in which case the maker is JOHN ROSS of 47 Colebrook Row, Islington, London. JOHN ROSS owrked for the firm of Stainsbury and Coupland until that partnership was dissolved in 1895 and he seems to have taken over the business. Why he registered his mark in Chester (1896) is not clear, but it may simply have been because of the cheaper assay charges and quicker turn around. S&C were Book mount, purse and lock makers: They were responsible for many of the little books whose covers feature stamped silver panels with cherubs etc. The Chester marks from 1890-1900 can be confusing as the punches are in different shapes depending upon the size of the piece being marked; sometimes the town mark is on its side as with yours, just to complicate matters further. My GUESS is that this was to define the size of the piece being marked and thus discourage fraud - to stop the marks being transposed onto a larger piece, because the configuration would be different. Hope this helps!  IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 05-14-2005 02:43 PM
IJP, Right you are. When I looked at a drawing of the Chester mark, I could see no resemblance to the mark on this piece, which looked like the Exeter castle to me. I double checked the Chester mark actual punch and see my error. Could we see a picture of the piece? Tom IP: Logged |
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aceward Posts: 2 |
posted 05-14-2005 04:31 PM
Hey guys, many thanks for all the help, like I said I spent a lot of time scouring the libraries for any clue of the maker to no avail. Maybe I was just looking for makers around Chester. The item is a wallet which bears the mounts mentioned, so well done SL for that deduction. It's great to finally have some background on it, as up until now It's always been a mystery. Alex. IP: Logged |
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Waylander Posts: 131 |
posted 05-15-2005 12:14 AM
Silver Lyon In a different Forum far, far away, I mooted the point that it may have been the Chester mark for Sheffield manufacturers Joseph Rodgers & Sons (I seem to recall that they used a JR mark). Can you illustrate where I went wrong? (i.e. did JR &S never register in Chester?) Thanks Waylander IP: Logged |
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Silver Lyon Posts: 363 |
posted 05-15-2005 08:44 AM
To the best of my knowledge Joseph Rodgers & Sons never registered a mark in Chester. They did, however, register a mark in London, where they had showrooms in Holborn, as well as Sheffield. Their maker's mark is USUALLY accompanied by their trade mark of a maltese cross and a star. The other thing about Joseph Rodgers is that for most of the time their maker's marks are JR&S in shields of a variety of foms. Hope this helps JR&S made literally everything in silver, electroplate and britannia metal. At one point they employed some 2500 people in their factory in Sheffield. IP: Logged |
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