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robelle Posts: 41 |
posted 08-30-2005 11:21 AM
  
I think this is a Sheffield fork. There are a number of marks. Can anyone tell me what WS stands for? There is also DCR.  Here is a photo of the handle. Are there silversmiths that can restore flatware? I have a bunch of these and I think they were salvaged from a fire. A few of them look fine but some of them are badly damaged except for the handles. IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 08-30-2005 05:47 PM
The marks are very hard to read. Is the figure to the left of the lion an anchor, crown or what? To the right of the lion is what looks like a head, possibly a soverign's mark. Tell us more about it. There should also be a letter next to the Head or the mark to the left of the lion. What is the letter and what kind of punch is it in? Without this info or a better picture, it is hard to tell what you have. If you cannot get a clearer photo, try scanning in a drawing. Good luck, IP: Logged |
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robelle Posts: 41 |
posted 08-30-2005 06:57 PM
Well I have tried to photos of the marks. This mark is on the left of the lion. IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 08-30-2005 07:33 PM
Ok, that does seem to be the Sheffield Crown. I am guessing that the head to the right of the lion is a soverign's head (male and facing right? - check and let us know) and that the letter "D" which seems to be in a different punch than the maker's mark letters is a date letter. Judging by the emaciated profile of the lion, 1812-13 seems likely, but 1847-8 is also possible. This dating assumes that the letter "D" is in fact a date letter, which is a big "if!" It is almost as likely that the "D" is part of the makers mark "DCW?". I cannot help you with the maker, and I am puzzled by the presence of two sets of letters, WS and CW?. There seems to be a sort of gap between the handle and the fork tines. It is possible that the two were made at different times. Given the state of the marks and photos though, all of this info is highly speculative. Good luck, [This message has been edited by tmockait (edited 08-30-2005).] IP: Logged |
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robelle Posts: 41 |
posted 08-30-2005 09:30 PM
Tom, Thanks for the info. I think you are right. I think the handle and the fork tines were made at different times. I have seven forks and seven knives and a few of the knife tops appear different from each other. It is possible that the tops were added on later. IP: Logged |
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Marc Posts: 414 |
posted 08-30-2005 11:34 PM
Hi guys.. It looks like the handle is sterling silver (great lion) and the tine portion (everything not the handle) is plate. Neat handle and the blade portion (again, everything but the handle) is contemporary with the handle. Second question.. Silversmiths.. I can recommend several, but I do not know if "El Heffe`" will approve. Best thing is to tell us where you live, and someone can give you the name of a silversmith close by. Always good to check them out, and when possible, get recommendations. Hope this helps.. Marc
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 08-31-2005 12:02 AM
That makes sense. It seems then that there is no date letter. I am still betting late 18th, early 19th c. The image to the right of the lion is crucial. Is it in fact a head, if so male or female, and facing which way? Tom IP: Logged |
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robelle Posts: 41 |
posted 08-31-2005 08:54 AM
Well I can't get a good clear photo of the head. But I have looked through a loop and it appears that the head is facing the left. What does that mean? IP: Logged |
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salmoned Posts: 336 |
posted 08-31-2005 05:31 PM
'WS' would presumeably be the maker's mark. Although the photos are unclear, I can't make out the crown mark previously suggested. The 'duty mark' would likely be Victoria if facing left, but I don't think it's altogether certain this is a British piece. I hope this mystery can be solved... [This message has been edited by salmoned (edited 08-31-2005).] IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 08-31-2005 05:54 PM
I would be willing to bet the handle with the lion pasant is British sterling, but I agree it is hard to be sure. The head is a soverign's mark, in use from 1784 to 1890. Victoria was the only queen during that period, and her profile was stamped facing left (George III, IV and William IV faced right). Since she reigned from 1837-1901, the handle of th fork should date to somewhere between 1837 and 1890. Again, however, it is hard to be confident in this case. You have a very nice but challenging piece of silver, which is what makes the forum so much fun. Tom IP: Logged |
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