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rian Posts: 169 |
posted 03-08-2008 08:35 PM
  
 Bought these at an estate sale yesterday. I'm attracted to pattern and these have no pattern at all, only shape. But the more I look at them the more I like them. I haven't been successful in making sense of the marks. I understand the lion and George's head but without a town mark I haven't been able to pin down the meaning of a letter C with a ball at the beginning of the curve, in a cartouche with the top edges nipped in and a rounded bottom. Can anyone identify the makers mark? Place the city and year? IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 03-08-2008 08:52 PM
Hello rian! Nice, what I call spoon tongs! I'm going out on a limb here but I think this may be the mark of John & Henry Lias. Possible date being around 1878. Hope someone else can verify this. Jersey IP: Logged |
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salmoned Posts: 336 |
posted 03-08-2008 09:34 PM
1818/9. IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 03-08-2008 10:00 PM
Hello salmoned! I thought that the 1818 date letter code was a b, not a c. Am I wrong? Jersey IP: Logged |
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PhilO Posts: 166 |
posted 03-09-2008 03:34 AM
John Lias & Son (John Lias and Henry John Lias) entered this mark on 14 March 1818 with another, slightly different, mark with bevelled corners on 2 April 1818. These marks may have been used concurrently but I have only seen this one with the date letter for 1817/1818 (C). Note that the date letters changed at the end of May so these tongs can be dated quite precisely. Phil IP: Logged |
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Clive E Taylor Posts: 450 |
posted 03-09-2008 05:29 AM
Very interesting makers mark. My first reaction was that it was John & Henry Lias' mark overstamping another silversmith, but Grimwade Nr 1495 distinctly shows an unusual cruciform punch. The dateletter for this pair is "c" for 1818/1819, but I have a record of another plain pair with the "b" for 1817/1818 (GH-ILH17040205)which in theory can be dated to March to May 1818 [This message has been edited by Clive E Taylor (edited 03-09-2008).] IP: Logged |
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rian Posts: 169 |
posted 03-09-2008 10:53 AM
Thank you all for helping me decipher these marks. I have only one other piece of English flatware, a handsome, heavy mid-nineteenth century spoon that I bought more than a year ago from a blurry picture on e-bay. I thought it was the Wood and Hughes Gadroon pattern. Surprise...no. I've still not seen the W&H version but it couldn't better than this one. I've tried to stay away from English silver, the one friend I have who is interested enough to collect, is only interested in pieces made in the British Isles or France. IP: Logged |
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adelapt Posts: 418 |
posted 03-09-2008 11:28 AM
And of course - London Assay Office, both items. [This message has been edited by adelapt (edited 03-09-2008).] IP: Logged |
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