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cj jones Posts: 68 |
posted 01-14-2007 06:57 PM
  
[26-1314] I know y'all like a picture but this is so simple that I hope I can get a definitive answer w/o -- my "photographer" is watching a game (humor)...I have an 1800 Sterling (London) basting spoon (fiddle & thread) -- it does not have a makers mark..this spoon has been in my family forever but after reading the last post..I drug it out & examined w/ my "new loupe" (recommended by an SSF member in a previous question..I don't need to know value, etc and will be happy to post a picture this evening..but are there English spoons of that age without a maker's mark. Any response will be appreciated..thnx cj IP: Logged |
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cj jones Posts: 68 |
posted 01-14-2007 08:57 PM
Here are my images: Thnx in advance for any help you can give me.. cj IP: Logged |
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doc Posts: 730 |
posted 01-14-2007 09:25 PM
The spoon is from London and dates from 1800. IP: Logged |
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cj jones Posts: 68 |
posted 01-14-2007 09:39 PM
Doc..Thnx for the reply...is it unusual that it doesnt have the makers mark? I had done my hallmark work & knew Sterling, London, 1800 & the last mark. I just was curious about the fact that it didnt have a silversmith marking. The Irish sterling I have does altho it is not as old as this. I appreciate your input. thnx cj IP: Logged |
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Silver Lyon Posts: 363 |
posted 01-15-2007 08:41 AM
It probably did have a maker's mark originally, but weakly struck (see what has happened to your lion passant mark). Look very closely and you may see the depression where it was. IP: Logged |
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cj jones Posts: 68 |
posted 01-15-2007 11:20 AM
I thoroughly examined the spoon & there is nothing --- just the 4 marks shown.. I had researched it on 925.1000 site which in regards to makers marks (copied from their site) The enforced use of the maker's mark was instituted in London in 1363. Its purpose was to prevent the forgery of leopard’s head marks upon silver of debased content by providing an indication of the party responsible for the piece. Originally, makers' marks were pictograms, but by the beginning of the 17th Century it had become common practice to use the maker's initials. Has anyone else ever seen silver w/o a makers mark? I am researching & trying to put a description w/ each pc. Thnx CJ IP: Logged |
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Clive E Taylor Posts: 450 |
posted 01-15-2007 04:27 PM
In theory all silver items had to have a registered makers mark on them before the assay office would assay and hallmark. If you look at the Old Bailey Trial reports Goldsmiths Hall makes this point very strongly in at least one case.But in practise " it ain't necessarily so". I have come across pairs of buckles in the 1740 - 1780 period with one of the pair with a Lion Passant, the other with a makers mark, one with a Lion Passant and one with nothing. Irish buckles of the 1760 -1780 period quite often had no makers mark but both Harp and Hibernia are present on both of a pair, One strange example of an English pair had two Lion Passants on one buckle - and no marks on the other. Perhaps in this last case the assay office stamper got careless and thought he'd marked two buckles once - not one buckle twice. I can give no explaination for the others. You often see one buckle with just a makers mark and the other of a pair fully marked. I suspect that this was bucklemakers only sending half their production to be assayed to save charges, then adding an unassayed one to each pair. This happened even in the more regulated period after 1784 - probably to avoid duty as well. IP: Logged |
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cj jones Posts: 68 |
posted 01-15-2007 05:22 PM
Clive, I really appreciate your input..I am going to put my cherished family spoon back in the case...Many thanks..cj IP: Logged |
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