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wev Moderator Posts: 4132 Registered: Apr 99	posted 07-20-2010 09:51 AM Does anyone know who this might be? The works are signed by Bothamley of Boston, England. IP: Logged
agphile Posts: 798 Registered: Apr 2008	posted 07-20-2010 11:56 AM Albert Waterfall and Robert Gravenor,trading as Waterfall & Gravenor, watchcase makers, of 15 Hertford Terrace, Coventry. Mark entered at Chester 25 May 1881. Source: Compendium of Chester Gold and Silver Marks by Ridgway and Priestley. IP: Logged
swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 Registered: May 2003	posted 07-20-2010 12:14 PM And the date letter is for 1883/4. IP: Logged
wev Moderator Posts: 4132 Registered: Apr 99	posted 07-20-2010 01:13 PM Thank you both IP: Logged
wev Moderator Posts: 4132 Registered: Apr 99	posted 07-20-2010 01:38 PM Thought I'd add some shots of the piece itself (it's awfully pretty) IP: Logged
swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 Registered: May 2003	posted 07-20-2010 02:05 PM Neat watch. Some information on the Bothamly family of watch and clockmakers: quote: jagkar Guest Default Pair case maker Bothamley Boston Picked up a pair cased PW recently, bearing the hallmarks of London for 1823. The only engraving on the back plate is Bothamley Boston and what might be 3391 as a serial number. My question is whether this is the maker or could it possibly be a US jeweler who was in Massachusetts. I believe there is a perfectly good Boston in England also. Shugart doesn't list this name in his early makers. jagkar #2 Old 07-04-2002, 06:01 PM jagkar Default Pair case maker Bothamley Boston Picked up a pair cased PW recently, bearing the hallmarks of London for 1823. The only engraving on the back plate is Bothamley Boston and what might be 3391 as a serial number. My question is whether this is the maker or could it possibly be a US jeweler who was in Massachusetts. I believe there is a perfectly good Boston in England also. Shugart doesn't list this name in his early makers. jagkar #3 Old 07-04-2002, 07:54 PM Oliver Mundy Guest Default Pair case maker Bothamley Boston This is certainly the English Boston, which is an ancient town on the east coast in the county of Lincolnshire. There seems to have been something of a dynasty of Bothamleys; Baillie (Watchmakers and Clockmakers of the World, 3rd ed. 1951) records William (c. 1757) who moved from Kirton in the north of the county to Spalding forty miles further south, and then there is Jarkinson Bothamley (a watch hallmarked 1791) at Boston itself (Spalding and Boston are about twelve miles apart). A few lines further on he mentions T. Bottomley of Boston (1784), who is probably of the same family. Perhaps your watch indicates a third generation. The Bothamleys of Boston, Lincolnshire, and an unusual wall clock IP: Logged
PhilO Posts: 166 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 07-20-2010 05:31 PM The Post Office Directory of Lincolnshire for 1868 lists Henry Bothamley, watch & clock maker, at 58 Market Place, Boston. Kelly's Directory of Lincolnshire 1896 lists Henry Wm Bothamley at 57 & 58 Market Place and he is also in the 1913 directory at the same address. I have a particular interest here as it is the area in which I grew up. With regard to the Bothamley family information I must point out that although there is a Kirton in the north of Lincolnshire (Kirton in Lindsey) there is also a Kirton just 4 miles from Boston and 10 miles from Spalding so it's probably more likely that William Bothamley was originally from this Kirton. IP: Logged
wev Moderator Posts: 4132 Registered: Apr 99	posted 07-20-2010 10:56 PM Since that proved so easy for you knowledgeable folks, how about this? IP: Logged
PhilO Posts: 166 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 07-21-2010 01:50 AM Philip Woodman & Sons, London 1857. IP: Logged
swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 Registered: May 2003	posted 07-21-2010 02:21 PM Not sure of their numbering conventions, but the watch in the 1881 case is 9552 and the case has a matching number, while the one in the 1857 case is 40494 with no matching case number. The latter one may have been recased. Many watches with gold cases were removed from their cases which were melted down when gold prices were high, as they are now, and that movement may look fancy enough to have originally been cased in gold. [This message has been edited by swarter (edited 07-21-2010).] IP: Logged
wev Moderator Posts: 4132 Registered: Apr 99	posted 07-21-2010 02:30 PM It would make sense for the first watch. The dial face is flat and engine turned silver with inlaid numerals and decoration in yellow, green, and rose gold -- the silver case is something of a let down by comparison. IP: Logged
wev Moderator Posts: 4132 Registered: Apr 99	posted 07-23-2010 08:49 PM This is a watch works by another of the Bothamleys, Parkinson (b. 1751) It is sans case, but I thought the engraving of Father Time and the pointing hand too good to pass up. IP: Logged

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