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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 06-21-2009 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[26-1869]

I know that often - or I am sure that I have passed Sheffield plate - just because I did not know what it was. Not knowing what to look for.

Books are good for learning, but they cannot give you everything. Same flee market as my cream mug. March this year. I found this salt nice. Plated but nice. The story is that some of my internet friends have taught me that this is not EP, it is Sheffield plate. Around 1800.

I bought because I liked - Sheffield plate was a pleasant surprise. I have much to learn.

so please fill in with Sheffield plate - I want to learn more.

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swarter
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iconnumber posted 06-21-2009 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread ( Identifying and Authenticating Old Sheffield Plate (fused plate)) and this one (Questions about old Sheffield Plate), whose link also is contained in the first thread, should answer most of your questions,

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 06-21-2009 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In English, we sometimes refer to Sheffield Plate as 'Fusion Plate' since two metals are fused together. This is to distinguish it from 'Electro Plate'. Checked an English to Danish dictionary, apparently the word 'fusion' means the same in each language.

There are a lot of Sheffield pieces floating around, and frequently are inexpensive. The silver copper sandwich of metals is still made and used for mirrors and other dresser items. It is also used for Rolls Royce jet engine radiators.

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Hose_dk

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iconnumber posted 06-22-2009 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hose_dk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the links I will read them carefully.

fusion plate - also makes sence in Danish.

my point was that the books i have read, they only mention sheffild plate and give a list of makers marks.
So now its down to research - and search for objects.

[This message has been edited by Hose_dk (edited 06-22-2009).]

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 06-22-2009 02:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Endly real facts from my side, you will surprised! Concerning the hobby and all the things are mentioned silver etc.,here are the results of research from the Netherlands, were only one small silver/plate collector lives and he gives to many energy or spend time in topics. But time changes and today I will give you some real information.
Your last reaction at this topic was I only can find list of marks.
For months ago I was looking and found under the title : Old Silver and Sheffield plate by Howard Pitcher Okie interesting information also about your subject.
In the book he describes old englisch silver, London Plate, York-Norwich-Exeter-Newcastle-Chester-Birmingham-Sheffield-Lincoln-Edinburgh-Glasgow-Dublin-Cork- and most interesting OLD SHEFFIELD PLATE.
From page 389-399 only interesting information about your subject.
I was surprised about the quantity of districts names there were given for plate production. And like you mentioned it is hard to find out when they didn't marked the pieces. I think it is a hard job to find out only at the pattern of a piece to find the factory/silversmith. There was another topic where I showed a piece of Holland also with a big ? and there was a suggestion that it also good be a piece made by a pupil who worked and learned the art of silversmith. The book counts more than 400 pages and is also filled with other interesting subjects and by each subjects good information and lists of silver/plate workers. If you look for the title you will surprised. I did it and have found one where the index was showed.
I hope it will succeed at your side.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 06-22-2009 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sheffield plate is not rare and you should have little problem finding many pieces of it. Much of it is not very expensive so you can make a nice collection without emptying all of your bank accounts and mortgaging your house. The best way to collect it is to buy what you like in terms of design and beauty. Also, if you like the way it looks when the silver plating has worn through in many areas you can usually get an even better deal on it. I think the worn out objects that show the two-colors (silver and copper) can be very attractive.

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regjoe

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iconnumber posted 06-22-2009 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for regjoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting thread & posts .

I learned a bit from you folks here .

Thank you !

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 06-23-2009 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I have seen of the research on fusion plate, it seems to be confined to products made in England. Yet this was a technology adaptable anywhere silver is made. I have seen pieces that clearly were French, with marks, but have never encountered any information on French makers.

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