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5mai

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iconnumber posted 09-06-2009 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 5mai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[26-1900]

Hello all,

I own a Britannia Silver Queen Anne castor. The last mark on the right is a mystery to me. Other marks, from left appear to be Britannia (almost obscured) and Lion head erased for 1699-1714.

I am a collector, who also dabbles in the odd buy and sell. My main interests are George II items (George I too, but I can't afford them!). I would like to know what this right hand mark is. I have been right through Grimwade and just about every other book on silver I can find, with no result.

I got very lucky with this Queen Anne item - I don't see myself ever owning another, and won't be selling it. The hallmarking system gives nice security to buyers, but it surely also reduces the chance of a bargain!

Any assistance would be appreciated.


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agphile

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iconnumber posted 09-07-2009 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice find. Afraid I can't help with the mark. My items from that period are all spoons. As spoonmakers are unlikely to have produced casters I don't think it will help to try and find a mark that seems to match (and I don't recall any that do so anyhow).

I assume from the photo that the mark may be something like a large initial followed by a smaller one with a pellet over it but I rather fear that not enough may remain for identification unless somebody recognises some small remaining detail or can get at it by knowing likely caster makers.

If it is any comfort, I have a good few pieces with marks too rubbed to decipher and now simply accept that this is inevitable with early silver unless one chooses to collect near perfect marks rather than attractive or interesting pieces.

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5mai

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iconnumber posted 09-07-2009 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 5mai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks agphile: I hadn't thought of another letter following. The piercing does look very similar to that on another caster by Charles Adam, but the mark is nothing like that gent's.

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 09-07-2009 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A very long shot just to show willing. Any chance it could be John Read (Grimwade 2302)? The mark of Daniel Sleamaker with whom he started off in partnership has been noted on a caster. I have to confess that to make this fit I have to assume that some of what now shows was not part of the original mark and also use a fair bit of imagination on the rest but you have the advantage of being able to see the mark in the flesh in order to rule this out or consider it a possibility.

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5mai

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iconnumber posted 09-07-2009 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 5mai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Agphile. 2302 is an interesting suggestion. A crown at the top is the most obvious solution, but there does seem to be a line above this. I feel quite sure it is a maker mark - I can find no date mark that fits.

I did use the method of covering the area with carbon black from a candle, applying adhesive tape and then sticking the tape to a sheet of white paper. But, I found the clearest impression came from applying the black and then rubbing this off lightly with my finger. This left black in the depressions. The downside is that some possibly irrelevant detail is picked up, but I don't think I can get a clearer impression. You are right about looking at marks in the flesh - the black impression is 2D only.

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Pritchard

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iconnumber posted 01-21-2010 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pritchard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The lions head touch mark is not a "lion's head erased" but rather a "lion's head couped" (couped being a straight line to the neck. Heraldically speaking, erased heads (that is with a jagged edge at the neck) were much more commonly seen in Scotland than England.

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 05-02-2010 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been slow to notice Pritchard's comment. The Britannia standard mark is a lion's head erased, not couped. What seems to be the case here is that the wear on the mark means the jagged neckline no longer shows up.

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