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Carole C

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iconnumber posted 08-28-2007 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carole C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi,

I am trying to find out about a piece of silver given to me by my father.

It was made in Cork in 1928 between July and September. Its a cream jug (I think) and has been 'hallmarked' with the initials WE a castle a ship and a 2nd castle.

I have a letter from Barry Egan written in 1972, telling the story of how this came about and a list of the pieces made and who owned them. Does anyone know anything about this 'Republican' silver?

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 08-28-2007 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Carole and welcome to the forum.

Your jug sounds like it has an interesting background. I am sure people here would like to hear some details about the story that goes with it. More often than not such stories have been changed partially or completely over the years in their re-tellings from one person to the next, but sometimes they come close to the facts or even are completely accurate. Letting people here know what the story that came with this one was would be a starting point for people to try to determine what your jug might be.

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 08-29-2007 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There were reportedly only 60-80 pieces of so-called Republican silver made, by Barry Egan of William Egan & Sons, in 1922 (not 1928). You can find a brief summary account in the wonderful book Cork Silver and Gold: Four Centuries of Craftsmanship.

As Kimo suggests,the story would be most interesting.

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doc

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iconnumber posted 08-29-2007 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to the Forum.

Here is a brief history of Cork Republican silver. Egan's Silversmiths and Jewelers were in business in Cork from the 1820's to 1986. During the Civil War of 1922, Cork was occupied by "anti-treaty" IRA forces, who opposed the structure of the Irish Free State created in the Anglo-Irish Treaty signed at the end of 1921. During the several month occupation during the summer and fall of 1922, access to roads and railways were cut off, so silver pieces could not be sent to Dublin for assay marks. Egans created a special mark for silver manufactured during this time, and it is as you have described: a WE, a two masted ship and single tower castles on either side.

These pieces are very rare; I have seen one estimate that only 60 such pieces were made. I have only seen such pieces in the Crawford Municipal Gallery in Cork.

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Carole C

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iconnumber posted 08-29-2007 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carole C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

Thanks for your interest, I believe my father bought the jug in Burlington Arcade in the early 1970's , he obviously did some research because I have a letter from Barry Egan and a list of the items they made and who owned them, including ' HRH Princess Mary a Pair of Fruit dishes' and quite a lot of something called a 'Potato Ring'?

I apologize for the mistake in the date it says they were made between July and September of 1922. I will try and scan the letter in as well.

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doc

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iconnumber posted 08-30-2007 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reference on the Egan's list to a "potato ring" refers to a silver dish holder, also known as either a dish ring or a dish cross. They were used to hold bowls of hot items and kept the hot dish from resting on the table. Most were round, with an indenting middle to hold the bowl in place, but others were a hinged cross shape to rest the bowl or dish on top. Originally, they were made in the 18th century, and primarily made in Ireland, although not exclusively. There was a period of reproduction of dish rings in the early 20th century, both in Ireland and in Birmingham.

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Carole C

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iconnumber posted 08-30-2007 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carole C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the information about the potato ring,it makes more sense now! The photo of the letter didnt come out very well so i will redo it and post it later, i'm quite pleased with the photo of the hallmark, it came out quite clearly. I hope you enjoy them

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 09-04-2007 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doc,

I don't know for sure if this gives a image about what you mean? This one is made by William Plummer, about 12 inches wide, made in 1764. Of course it's not mine, but when I've read your reaction I thought that I had seen it somewhere, so I found it.

It's a interesting story about Cork silver.

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doc

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iconnumber posted 09-06-2007 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Silver hunter's photo is of the style known as a dish cross.

This is an example of an Irish dish ring (and a nice one at that); this particular one is a Georgian example.

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silverhunter

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iconnumber posted 09-27-2007 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverhunter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Doc,

Dish Cross, dish ring still a few mistakes from my side and I'm dis....... missed. It's a really beautiful piece of silver, that's for sure! Thanks for showing it and I learned from it!

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