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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 12-10-2004 09:31 AM
  
Something I've always been curious about: I own 4 pieces by Hester - 2 tongs, a salt spoon and a salver - a lot to randomly find by one maker. I wonder who else on this forum owns Hester silver? IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 12-10-2004 12:20 PM
Bateman silver is plentiful. Hester supervised a large shop with a prodigious output, which carried her mark or marks of her children and other family, who continued to work after her "retirement." Whether Hester actually made any of the silver that bears her mark has been a subject of debate. IP: Logged |
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agleopar Posts: 850 |
posted 12-11-2004 04:37 PM
Don't we all?? IP: Logged |
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doc Posts: 730 |
posted 12-12-2004 05:18 PM
It is plentiful, but still fun to have. I have a collection of the Bateman family, and I also have started a collection with my mother of women silversmiths of Ireland and England, so even if she didn't actually make it, she's in the collection! IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 12-12-2004 05:38 PM
Even if she didn't physically make it, the presence of her mark signifies that she is responsible for it, for better or worse. IP: Logged |
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adelapt Posts: 418 |
posted 12-13-2004 05:27 AM
Unfortunately, because of its popularity, and the relative simplicity of many of the pieces, it has attracted the attention of fakers & forgers. The price premium often obtained for the Hester Bateman mark has ensured that there's more of "her" work about than was issued from Bunhill Row! IP: Logged |
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Silver Lyon Posts: 363 |
posted 12-13-2004 02:26 PM
Vathek - Hester is Fun!! Not only do she (and later her children and grand-chuldren) have one of the largest manufacturies in Britain at that time (maybe THE largest!) - using the latest (water and then, probably, steam) technology and producing almost everything from the smallest trinket to great trays but also they happen, through a network of agents, to have been the main exporters of English-made silver to the newly fledged USA - so there is much that has been in USA since the c.18th!! I have one friend who has a collection of spoons, one from every year from Hester's first mark to the end!! There were very few genuine forks - this is because Hester was aiming at a middle range market,one that was still eating primarily wet food (soups, stews, potages) and thus had little need for forks!! The subject (Hester, her factory, produce and market) would be a good topic for a new book to be written and and exhibition to be mounted !!! [This message has been edited by Silver Lyon (edited 12-13-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1800 |
posted 12-13-2004 06:19 PM
I have given HB items as gifts in past years. It seems to me that Bateman objects are never top quality, but everybody knows the name and they are fun items to have. IP: Logged |
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Waylander Posts: 131 |
posted 12-14-2004 05:14 AM
I agree with Paul. Pickford, in Jacksons (pocket edition) at 59, states of her work; "Overrated, overpriced, run-of-the-mill, mass produced piecesd". The quality of the few pieces of her work I have is not great (c.f. other pieces of the same period), but the Bateman name is one that even people who don't collect silver seem to know about. Waylander IP: Logged |
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doc Posts: 730 |
posted 12-14-2004 02:08 PM
I still like the pieces I have, even if they are considered "run of the mill". I have a wonderful fish slice by William Bateman that I think is of very good quality. Silver Lyon, I suppose you know this, but there is a book about Hester Bateman already. An exhibition would be interesting! IP: Logged |
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- don't anyone be too alarmed by the above-mentioned 'fakes' - they are easy to spot and are only larger items where the 'added value' is worth the effort!! 