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Fruit Knife Guy Posts: 10 |
posted 01-19-2005 03:48 PM
  
So, in determining the date of one of my knives I seen to have come across both American and English hallmarks on the same piece. Can this be correct, and how often does this occur? Unless there are some marks that could be from either country ... this knife had a TM which is detailed and Thomas M somthing from Boston 1715 and a crow and a lion and what looked like a lower case "h" I know about benefits of including a picture .. but I am at work and my knives are not ... Any comments?? IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 01-19-2005 04:23 PM
I am sure many more knowledgeable people will join in, but I have a preliminary thought. Why assume that any of the marks are truly "English?" Other nations used lions, and the crow does not sound like any British town mark. Perhaps the colonists imitated British practice without violating laws on hallmarking. Just a thought. TM IP: Logged |
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Fruit Knife Guy Posts: 10 |
posted 01-19-2005 04:25 PM
I was maybe thinking that knives made in US and shipped to England might have both ... anyone know if this type of activity occured, and how imported to England silver would have been marked seperate from made in England items?? IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 01-19-2005 04:32 PM
As a British Historian I can tell you that the mercantalism of the time encouraged the colonies to export raw materials and import finished goods made in Britain. In theory all foreign trade with the American Colonies had to go through London (until George III made an exception for East Inida Tea - we know how that story ended!). However, there was an enormous amount of smuggling, so any sort of exchange was possible. I doubt though that there was an official stamp for smuggled goods. But perhaps an exception was made for colonial sivler. TM IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 01-19-2005 04:40 PM
First question: do you mean "crow" or "crown"? Second question: what is the Thomas M of Boston bit? Third question: does your knife look early 18th century? My guess would be Thomas Marples, a Sheffield knife manufacturer in the late 19th century. Perhaps the knives were exported to the US and Boston refers to the location of the retailer? Although there is also a Boston in England too! IP: Logged |
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Fruit Knife Guy Posts: 10 |
posted 01-19-2005 04:51 PM
ouch ... feels like I got the smackdown on that one ... hehe I meant crown. Unfortunatly, I have received my American Hallmark book from Amazon.com, but my Big Jackson book has yet to arrive to detal English markings. My initial guess on knife is late 18th centry based on the back outer spline pattern on knife. IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 01-19-2005 05:01 PM
How could it be stamped as Sheffield Sivler in 1715 if the Sheffield Assay Office wasn't estabished until 1773? TM IP: Logged |
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