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wev
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iconnumber posted 03-30-2012 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another pair from the box of forgotten finds

The marks are quite clear and there's a date letter, which appears to be a lower case i.


That doesn't look like a London lion -- or does it? Is it 1784, George Smith II? Someone else?

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iconnumber posted 04-01-2012 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Despite years of collecting I am pretty hopeless when it comes to spotting whether a punch is a known variation or not so I have hesitated to offer comment. I think we need to hope that Clive Taylor visits this thread because he knows more than most about George Smith, is much brighter than I on marks and I rather think his wife collects tongs. I might try an email to him.

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iconnumber posted 04-02-2012 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marks of George Smith are varied and some, like this one , are very similar to other GS's. However this does look like one of George Smith II of Huggin Lane. I've a very similar one on several buckles which I've catalogued as "Probably George Smith "

However the Lion Passant and the "l" puzzles me greatly. That oval lion does not look like any pre-duty one for London I've ever seen. There's a small oval one seen on tongs from the early 1790's but not like this. Although we know George Smith was a bit of a rogue, if he had any spurious assay stamps he was never caught,and would have been bright enough to get the details right.
So one puzzle . The odd "l" or "i" or even numeral 1 is also odd. Pre duty tongs did not have date letters and my only thought is that this may be a workmans mark.
Very baffled .

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iconnumber posted 04-03-2012 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Possibly of colonial origin? Not in my literature on Canada, Bermuda or Channel Islands, but I don't have South Africa, Australia or any of the others.

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iconnumber posted 04-03-2012 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not among the marks recorded in Welz's Cape silver and Silversmiths.

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