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nautilusjv Posts: 253 |
posted 10-17-2015 01:36 PM
  
Hello. I have an English ceramic hunt jug of 2 hounds chasing a rabbit that has a sterling mount and I am having trouble reconciling the date of the jug with the maker and the date of the hallmark. The jug is most likely from the 1830's/1840's and the jug does have a Georgian duty mark which I think is George III, but could be a successor as well, but not Victoria as she faces the other way. The main problem you will notice is that the city mark is either rubbed or absent from the hallmark. The maker's mark appears to be P dot B and I found 2 London smiths with this mark and in the right timeframe: Roger Biggs or even better Richard Britten. Any help much appreciated. My friend who deals in ceramics suggested perhaps that a scrap piece of sterling was used for the mount without regard to the hallmark. Interesting. [This message has been edited by nautilusjv (edited 10-17-2015).] [This message has been edited by nautilusjv (edited 12-28-2015).] IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 10-17-2015 03:38 PM
Is that not the date letter A for 1796? If so, Roger Briggs fits the date. Britten is too late. I don't think this would be a re-used bit of "pre-marked" scrap silver. I am no expert in ceramics but would have thought the jug was a fairly traditional form that might have been made in the 18th century even if more common later. IP: Logged |
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nautilusjv Posts: 253 |
posted 10-17-2015 08:52 PM
Thanks for your input agphile! I thought it was 1796 too, but my friend a dealer in English wares among other things sees the jug as being from the 1830's 1840's. And you are correct the form would be seen in the 18th century as well. Is there any reason why hallmarks would leave out a city mark? Thanks again for your input. [This message has been edited by nautilusjv (edited 10-17-2015).] IP: Logged |
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agphile Posts: 798 |
posted 10-18-2015 04:16 AM
The city mark was left out on small pieces of silver such as teaspoons at this time, presumably to prevent fraudulent transposition to a larger item. I guess the mounting was considered small in this context. IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 10-19-2015 05:24 AM
Was the silver rim possibly added later to cover some damage? IP: Logged |
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nautilusjv Posts: 253 |
posted 10-19-2015 05:25 AM
Thanks agphile! That is a nice little fact about the marking and the teaspoon. I spoke with a English ceramics dealer I know in London and he believes the jug dates to the 1790-1820 period which would then conform to the hallmark date of 1796 with the maker most likely being Briggs. So dilema solved! IP: Logged |
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nautilusjv Posts: 253 |
posted 10-19-2015 07:19 AM
I thought that too vathek, but then that would mean the jug was late 18th century & my friend a dealer in English wares dates the piece to 1790-1820 which fits with the 1796 "A" date letter. I suppose the mount was a way to gussy up the jug & make it more special. Thanks for your input! Kelly [This message has been edited by nautilusjv (edited 10-19-2015).] IP: Logged |
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