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cbc58

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iconnumber posted 12-08-2018 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbc58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bought this little spoon today and can't seem to locate the maker. I'm posting it here because it looks English, however it only has 3 marks - lion, bust (think that's what it is) and RF. It's hard to see in the pic, but the outline of the car-touche that the bust is in, is indented on the sides and looks like a figure 8 or snowman. I had originally thought this might be American but was told that it was likely English due to it's shape. No date letter and it's not bottom marked. There is a decorated drop and it goes about 1/3 the length of the bowl, but most of it is worn off from use. 4.75" long, 12 grams. Could this be around 1760's? Any info appreciated. Tks


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PhilO

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iconnumber posted 12-08-2018 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhilO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's most likely Richard Ferris of Exeter, c1800.

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cbc58

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iconnumber posted 12-08-2018 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbc58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That looks to be him. Thanks once again...

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cbc58

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iconnumber posted 12-09-2018 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cbc58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so how does Mr. Ferris get to produce silver without a date or city mark? I thought that wasn't kosher in the days of having to get silver marked by the authorities. there appear to be many examples of this 3 part marking, while others show the standard compliment of marks.

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PhilO

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Nothing to do with the silversmith and everything to do with the assay offices and fraud prevention. At this period (c1795-c1820) we frequently see missing guild marks particularly for London and Exeter although it also occasionally occurs with Newcastle and Chester. The belief is that this was done only on smaller items with the full set of marks being applied to larger items of silver so that it would be obvious if a hallmark were cut from a spoon, say, and incorporated into an otherwise below-standard salver. Whether or not this was a justified fear I don't know.

I have not seen an explanation for missing date letters but this also occurs frequently, normally only on Exeter and Newcastle silver; it may also be related to fraud prevention.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 12-11-2018 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VERY cool spoon!

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